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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Joe doesn't mention CC.

    CC doesn't suffer from the problem Joe identifies, in fact she was the only candidate who knew why she wanted the job.

    I asked a different question - whether CC may, in time, come to realise she is not cut out for the job because she is an anti-establishment maverick by nature and the Presidency is the apex of our constitutional establishment.

    I don't know how CC will deal with that dilemma but I do know what she will do when Bills land on her desk. She will sign them into law within 7 days, even if they stick in her craw.

    Just like Michael D. who promptly signed every Bill put in front of him with only one exception in 14 years (The Judicial Appointments Bill which is now impervious to legal challenge thanks to Michael D.'s use of Article 26. No wonder he signed all the others.)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Humphreys also complained about the 'tone' of questions she was asked. Her campaign manager complained of 'wedge politics' and Jennifer C. MacNeill complained of negative campaigning by Connolly etc.

    Par for the course in elections.

    I didn't see media claiming Connolly was either campaigning negatively or running smears. Those questions were focussed on FG.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,560 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    President Connolly will be installed in the Aras on the 11th Nov. and we'll see what she makes of the job.

    The election is over time to move on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,170 ✭✭✭Field east


    CC will have no problem with that . As she and some of the media said she has ABSOLUTLY no problem in ‘

    compartmentalising’ eg representing banks during a repossession hearing and then while a TD/ county councillor being on the side of those being repossessed of their accommodation’



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,409 ✭✭✭corkie


    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~ George Santayana
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,560 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Well he obviously wants to hold on to the leadership but you're the one coming over as desperate to see him ousted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭Caquas


    @Cyclingtourist, the most prolific poster on this thread since the election, suddenly tells us to "move on" just when things are heating up. Absolutely clueless or thinking two moves ahead?

    Does anyone doubt that the Tánaiste's u-turn on immigration was due to the Presidential election? I'd hate to think the Citywest rioters can claim this as their victory. Would HH have done better if she had said what her party leader is saying now, just a week after polling day?

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2025/1029/1541211-tanaiste-immigration/

    Claire Byrne gave MM a grilling about Jim Gavin this morning but her most interesting comment is that there has been a "complete about-turn" on direct provision and MM doesn't deny it. MM is triangulating on this issue but he's "not ruling anything out". He's a weakened leader who no longer trusts his own judgement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,849 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Migration will be a big issue in future politics. Especially in relation to it's impact on the housing disaster. FF and FG will now position themselves further right in order to be seen as being firm on immigration and processing asylum seekers. The by-election in Galway will be interesting in that regard because one of the ex-FF candidate (now Ind Ireland) spoke out about the immigration issue and was kicked out of the party. We also have the EU Migration Pact kicking in next year.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Fair point - like her mentor Michael D. who is the master of selective outrage. Still, cognitive dissonance took its toll on him, as was obvious during his second term.

    And how will he reconcile his self-image as the ultimate voice of socialism with the reality that a regicide like CC took his throne by realising his life-long dream - uniting the Left.

    A year ago I would have said Michael D. disproves Enoch Powell's dictum that all political careers end in failure  unless they are "cut off in midstream at a happy juncture". But now Michael D. will spend his retirement watching CC bestriding the national and international stage like a despised pastiche. I bet he wishes now that he had cut off his career in 2018 and passed the torch to someone he trusted.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,560 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    I doubt I'm the 'most rolific' on this thread but I see the thread's moved on anyway to FG & FF's immigration policy.

    BTW hardly constitutes a 'U-turn' as they had already turned well before the GE sparked initially by the tents on Mount Street and the Grand Canal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    I would say though that I think the Migration Pact is a positive in managing the issue. Asylum claims are down about 25% this year. There is more data sharing, plans for age verification for people claiming to be unaccompanied minors, detention in some cases, and possibly Rwanda type plans.

    In the UK there was a story some years ago about a 38 year old who pretended to be an unaccompanied minor and was at first believed.

    I was listening to a debate in this recently on the Late Debate, and there was a lot of criticism of the Pact from those who normally oppose tighter controls.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,286 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    but I see the thread's moved on anyway to FG & FF's immigration policy.

    Mod: Bringing the thread even closer to a close

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,849 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    EU Migration Pact comes into effect next June. The impact will be interesting. I cannot see immigration numbers decreasing in the medium term (War and Climate Change reasons). It was interesting watching that hungry new young TD Albert Dolan (FF) in the Oireachtas committee yesterday. He was reflecting the new rhetoric from FF on asylum seekers chancing their arm (his words). They learned that 80% of asylum requests are refused. Deportation is another question though. I heard elsewhere that there are 18 people in CItywest with deportation orders that have been living there for over 6 months. I believe they are expected to self deport. But now we are bringing the thread way off topic...

    For the record, I believe Dolan is just another self serving FF gobdaw who only cares about votes.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭Caquas


    I take it back and award the "most prolific" crown to the undisputed heavyweight poster FrancieBrady, with over 100 post so far since polling day. My point remains however - you are a prolific poster who suddenly told us to "move on" although the aftermath of the election is playing out and, of course, while Michael D. is still President of Ireland.

    No surprise that SethBrundle jumped in with unwarranted threats - why would a moderator shut down a popular thread on a most topical issue without abusive posts, just because immigration is mentioned? Are we not allowed to discuss policies on an election thread? Admittedly, the Presidential debates were largely policy-free but if that's the rule here, why bother?

    Simon has done so many twists and turns on immigration I've lost count so his comments on Tuesday may not actually be a 180 degrees turn away from his most recent comments but they are certainly entirely different to his position as Taoiseach last year (read the Programme for his Government). I sincerely hope that his new-found concern for the numbers arriving here, and staying despite deportation orders, is in response to the democratic wishes of the Irish people as expressed in three elections and two referendums in the past 18 months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Pollster who conducted exit poll says two thirds of those who spoiled their ballots said they would have voted for Steen. Says most of this spoiled vote was to the Right of where FF and FG are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,560 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Thanks for correcting the record. Quality not quantity is my moto.

    So you object to my 'telling' people to move on. LOL

    But despite that you have 'moved on' and I'm not going to claim credit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,849 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Creepy men mostly I would say. Who else were they going to say? Nobody knew Delahunty and McGregor/Geldof weren't serious about running.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Harris issuing a diktat to FG councillors to block candidate completely backfired on FG. Many of those who would have voted for Steen might well have voted for the FG candidate. It also points to the diminishing support for FFG. Ireland Thinks tends to be more on the ball than some of the other pollsters. The damage for FF and FG from this election may well play out into the next GE.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,286 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    No surprise that SethBrundle jumped in with unwarranted threats - why would a moderator shut down a popular thread on a most topical issue without abusive posts, just because immigration is mentioned? Are we not allowed to discuss policies on an election thread? Admittedly, the Presidential debates were largely policy-free but if that's the rule here, why bother?

    1. Immigration policy has nothing to do with the election so is off topic, hence my comment earlier.
    2. Government policies (of any sort) have pretty much nothing to do with a presedential election
    3. This thread was fast moving with many many posts which weren't aligned with the forum charter (one liner, memes, link dumps, etc) and moderating those was made difficult in order to not disrupt the flow. We all know that discussing immigration in a fast moving thread will result in lots and lots of posts requiring deletion and warnings, etc. which I really don't want to have to take on
    4. Discussing moderation in-thread is a site-wide no-no

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Not living up to your own motto there, Cycle.I haven't "moved on" and everything I posted here is directly linked to the election (never mind Seth)

    Post edited by Caquas on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,989 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    To the victor belongs the spoils as they say. Who knows where we will be politically in four years? The demise of FF and FG has been predicted many times and indeed their grip has loosened to catastrophic proportions, as far as they're concerned, but still they cling to power. A left alliance is still a very unlikely proposition given the differences within itself.

    SF could well end up in govt, but I think if they do it will more than likely be with FF than any party of the left or FG. They have more in common with FF than any left party, bar labour perhaps? Anyway I see different times ahead and govt having to actually work for their corn as all steadfast support for any party is dwindling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭Caquas


    The IT hasn’t “moved on”. Diarmuid Ferriter today is right to say the nomination process won’t be changed

    But talk of reform is likely to fizzle out, as before, partly because of the long gap between presidential elections, possibly up to 14 years; partly because governments are wary of being burnt by referendums, and because of the difficulty of finding consensus on how the nominations process should be changed

    But of course he misses the key point - next time out the major parties won’t tell their local councillors to block all other candidates.

    And people weren’t annoyed by the small number of candidates, the problem was that FF and FG nominated dud candidates. Quality before quantity as CycleTourist would say.

    I think Bunreacht na hÊireann is safe from interference during the lifetime of the current Dáil. We will agree to anything in the EU that doesn’t change the Treaties.

    Talk of reforming the presidential nomination process is likely to fizzle out

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2025/10/31/diarmaid-ferriter-talk-of-reforming-the-presidential-nomination-process-is-likely-to-fizzle-out/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭jmcc


    There is a possibility that this election, and the collapse in support for FFG, is a generational thing. The electorate itself changes and that rarely gets any notice in the media during elections. With a GE, it is approximately a 5 year change. With a presidential election, it is a 7 year change.

    Even in the coverage of this election, the response from Bacik when asked if SF's endorsement changed things had her talking only about Labour and ignoring the question. The implications of a generational change are most obvious with Labour in that its support demographics are in the older demographics. Both the SocDems and SF are much stronger in the younger demographics. FF also has low support in the younger demographics. FG is not quite as bad.

    By the time of the next presidential election, it could be a changed politial landscape with a number of new political parties.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,989 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Hmmm, on which side of the line? Independent alliances seems to be the order of the day now. Soc Dems are doing OK, Aontu, on the other end of the scale doesn't seem to be gaining much traction. If you look at the overall make up of the daily are left leaning candidates making progress or just swapping popularity between elections?

    SFs rise has more to do with their republican stance than their policies being leftist imo. They have successfully taken over the apathetic FF/FG vote more than convincing people that left is best. Connolly wouldnt be a true representation of SF, and if she is then we are in serious international trouble, but they couldn't find among themselves anyone with the courage to chance making a bid for fear of failure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    but they couldn't find among themselves anyone with the courage to chance making a bid for fear of failure.

    That is just a way of deflecting from the fact they got this election spot on. They entered the fray saying they would 'change the game' and if you look at the polls from that point on and the result, they did.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,989 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Keep telling yourself that if you like. Imo ML and SF bottled it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,989 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    The whole premise of FF/FG stifling the nomination process by not allowing more candidates to the field is laughable, given that the whole left backed 1 candidate only. Good or bad, at least FF/FG put their own candidates forward!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I saw it happen, what everyone in the punditry world and media saw as an outsider suddenly become the odds on favourite in the polls.

    I don't need a 'keep telling myself' comfort blanket.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 31,340 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    I dunno, they needed a candidate who a) they would be happy to remove from frontline politics and b) was popular enough to win. With a left-wing candidate already guaranteed on the ballot, they'd have been competing against them*, so they obviously did the electoral maths and figured out it would be best to go with Connolly. Whether the original plan or not, it was a win for Mary Lou to have backed the winning candidate.

    *IMO Sinn Féin's left-wing credentials are often a fair bit more 'malleable' than some other parties on the left, but there's no doubting there's fairly substantial crossover



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