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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,867 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Those asylum seekers coming from the UK should be sent back most are visa overstayers ,student overstayers ,from safe countries , those with failed asylum claims and those who entered illegally . I suspect asylum seekers are being waved through to here like the French do with the UK . Poland has stopped asylum seeker applications as Belarus was dumping them what makes Ireland any different .

    Faster processing it must make sense to employ more decision makers surely it would save more than accommodation costs .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,215 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Processing times are irrelevant. What matters is the numbers coming in and the failed applicants leaving. If we process too fast without instant deportation then we will just end up with loads of failed applicants hanging around who will be given citizenship eventually anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,261 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Of course its better to see our government talking sense than not.

    But untill i see secure detention centres being built and other actual deterrents being implemented its all just politicking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,316 ✭✭✭creedp


    Yea talk is cheap and politicians are populists if nothing else. Just look at Harris and now MM going all tough talking after being kicked in the pres election. I’m sure once the heat dissipates it will be back to business as usual



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,237 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    When it comes to anything the leaders or even party members of Fianna Fail and Fine Gael say, it is not to believed. We have been here many times before when they say things like they did in the last election but never actually do anything. Both Harris and Martin haven't an ounce of creditability left at this stage they have lied so much and delivered very little, well except to those connected to them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,331 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    what slimebags Martin and Harris are.

    They dubbed anyone who questioned the legitimacy of Asylum seekers as racists and now as soon as they eventually noticed public opinion has swayed (although it took them long enough) they decide that the "Far right" and "racists" were correct all along.

    Politicians really are just detestable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,316 ✭✭✭creedp


    Which is why I always have to take a deep breath when I hear people going on about something being a priority because it’s in the PPG. One of those pieces of fiction will undoubtedly win the Pulitzer prize at some point in the future



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,778 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Don't we have new Aer Corp aircraft now?

    Could we remove 100 per day on those?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 128 ✭✭Thorny Queen


    At least my sister has the expertise to help them administer their drugs properly, when she is sharing a bedroom with them (bad joke).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,867 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    They should not be entitled to any benefits or accommodation when a final deportation order is made . Assisted return is then their only option .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,156 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    The madness never ends! In the news: "Limerick resident" stabs a German tourist, but not to worry it's just a cry for help and then a rep on from the Social Democrats is given airtime to berate the government for the refugee crisis, obviously just build more houses for them.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,237 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Was he given a deportation order? Surely to jaysus if you stab someone and you are a guest in the country then you should be deported. We are way too soft a touch. Ridiculous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,724 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    So instead of deporting him the taxpayer has to foot the bill for his future accommodation and medical treatment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,237 ✭✭✭Floppybits




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,778 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    I see that after spending decades trying to eradicate TB, it's back:

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41734317.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,297 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Our justice system is a joke. We don't even have curfews or electronic tagging. Many offences occur while suspects are on bail.

    Separately. 12 minutes in below, Ivan Yates says an official in the bureaucracy told him that without immigrants, the numbers of homeless would be about 12000. The official numbers of homeless in October 2025 are 16350.

    Also 23 minutes in, he says that two thirds of asylum applicants in Ireland have already been refused asylum in another EU country.

    Post edited by Ozymandius2011 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 112 ✭✭_Quilombero_


    Well said. I didn't think I could dislike them any more. After years of the most extreme shaming and censoring of Irish people who rightly condemn their recklessness, they suddenly try to do a 180 and believe that people are too stupid to notice. It's absolutely sickening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 854 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    AOR and those like him just prove how they are ideologues on this particular issue.

    If you aren’t for every Tom, Dick and Mohamed coming from the 4 corners of the globe, then you can’t also be of the opinion that immigration on the whole is a good thing. As if having a sensible immigration policy isn’t possible, we just have to let the flood gates open to anyone who wants to come, no matter their nationality or creed, whether they have criminal backgrounds or not etc, etc.

    Ordinary people are really starting to get fed up of this, it’s starting to get nasty and no amount of damage control from Harris and the rest of FFG is going to change that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 854 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    ”Limerick Resident” 😂

    The journalists in the media must of got their degrees out of the Ministry of Truth from 1984. Comical stuff at this stage.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,867 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    The £ 3000 the UK gives to return asylum seekers is being abused using Ireland to return to the UK . This is something that has not been reported in Irish news . Reeks of the soft touch and benefit of the doubt .

    https://www.msn.com/en-ie/money/other/illegal-migrants-get-3-000-bribes-to-return-home-then-boast-how-easy-it-is-to-sneak-back-in/ar-AA1PDB69?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=690720693bc240bbb278e15268f49edb&ei=83

    The RTE report stated that it was minor damage but its being blown out of proportion to blame the far right for what is an attack by ramdom vandals . I dont remember such a level of condemnation when centers were actually burned out .

    https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/uknews/louth-ipas-centre-fire-was-arson-attack-say-gardai/ar-AA1PEs8R?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=c620a96609d94f97cf96c8dd0ad2b302&ei=114

    Post edited by rgossip30 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,936 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Green party member Ciaran cuffe saying "We've become more racist"

    Funny how we, as a nation, only started becoming racist once we started letting foreigners in eye watering numbers in?

    As I said in an earlier post - we are a country of 5 million bringing in swathes of people from countries 10,000 times our size. And I'm not talking about the nurses and carers who are very much needed - I'm talking about the tech sector workers and the freeloaders who are either buying us out or being given houses by councils, effectively forcing the Irish out of the market.

    The FFFg government (led by the greens) was the most racist government exerted on the Irish people in over a century.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,226 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    State could potentially run out of accommodation by end of November.

    A leaked note from the Department of Justice said that at least 50 Ukrainian people are arriving in Ireland each day, and it comes as Ukraine changed its laws to allow men aged 18-24 to leave the country.

    The note said that Ireland’s capacity could be "exhausted" by the end of November.

    The Minister for Justice Jim O'Callaghan has confirmed that the amount of time Ukrainians who are fleeing the war are given in State accommodation will be looked at and potentially reduced from 90 days to 30.

    Among other changes being looked at include refusing to accommodate those who came to Ireland via a second country, or who had previously been granted temporary protection in another EU country.

    Those measures could be brought in soon, while other longer-term changes like reducing and then winding down the Accommodation Recognition Payment scheme will be looked at.

    The scheme allows people hosting Ukrainian refugees a €600 tax-free payment per month.

    CEO of the Irish Refugee Council Nick Henderson said he was really concerned that the proposed changes were leaked to the press, saying that it was unhelpful for Ukrainian people living here as well as those who support them.

    "But it’s the content that we have real concerns about, particularly the proposal that the accommodation recognition payment, which is hosting probably more than 40,000 people from Ukraine across Ireland in peoples’ homes and spare rooms – that that might be wound down," he said.

    "Ukrainian people here don’t really have any other options, they’re not entitled to the Housing Assistance Payment (HAP) and they’re not entitled to social housing."

    Mr Henderson said he does not believe someone fleeing war could easily find somewhere else to go after 30 days, particularly in a "very stretched rental market".

    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2025/1101/1541677-ukrainians-accommodation/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,727 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    I wouldn't be too bothered about anything a member of the Green party says - a one-note bunch of ideological fantasists who have been roundly rejected not once, but twice now by the electorate (once it was remembered how bad and unsuitable for government they actually are).

    As for carers and nurses, I'd put question marks on that one given some of the reports we've seen (and first hand accounts from relatives even on this site) about private care.

    Yes, much of the blame lies with the management of these companies, but some of the on the ground treatment of vulnerable people by these "newly arrived" carers is distressing to watch on the expose programmes that have aired in recent times.

    We need the right people - across all areas - not just those who apply/are available.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,724 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    The government must be under real pressure with accommodation seeing as O Callaghan is suggesting the 90 day limit for Ukrainians will be reduced to 30 days.

    The problem is there is no way of knowing who is fleeing the part of Ukraine the Russians are bombing and who is coming here from parts of the country that has no fighting but just want to go to Ireland for economic reasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,724 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    The left leaning parties, especially the SDs seem a bit edgy these days.

    Could the reason be that they see attitudes changing and the majority of voters here want the immigration question to be looked at and if someone isn't entitled to be here then they need to be removed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,936 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Agreed, there are reliable carers then there are the completely unsuitable opportunists from certain regions using the occupation as a way to get them and their families into the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,936 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Seems a huge quantity (something like 50%) of the spoiled voters surveyed quoted immigration as the reason. So they will pander to that until they find another "racist Ireland" story to chase after.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 279 ✭✭Perseverance The Second


    A Very Important lesson from the Anglosphere must be heeded by the Irish now before we end up in the same fate as England, Canada etc.

    https://x.com/arctotherium42/status/1984598368174170189

    To quote the summary

    Anglosphere economic management:

    1) Admit millions of immigrants to attract 'top global talent'

    2) This ruins the country

    3) 'Top global talent' no longer wants to come

    4) There's nothing left to fall back on



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,988 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    The solution is reducing the benefits, but provide an opportunity for people to show that they are from Donetsk and offer them more help on a discrimination basis.

    In general, the commentariat are not coming to grips with this. On the radio this morning they were talking about needing immigrants in construction, which is fine but only 5% of visas go to construction. Then you get healthcare, which is also fine, but how many exactly are involved there. There are highly qualified people who support tax paying multinationals and pay a lot of income tax themselves, these too can be justified but what about the rest?



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