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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,318 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    They're gaslighting you.

    It was only the other week you were subjected to stealth tax hikes to pay for ballooning spending on migration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,694 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Just to clarify, he appears to be speaking about asylum seekers (0.25 to 1.05), not about EU or non-EU migrant workers or other people arriving via legal routes. Anyone reading the headlines might be given the impression he was speaking about all immigration to the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,849 ✭✭✭riddles


    Or even that he was intending to.do anything about it which he is not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,849 ✭✭✭riddles


    JIM O'Callaghan was pretty tough talking when he came into the role but to date has delivered literally nothing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,151 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    Week 42 figs hot off the press - 269 total which looks to be around the avg these days - It's a PPT and needs to be downloaded

    The Somalis are knocking it out of the park with Pakistan in second. The Georgians just refuse to take no for an answer

    If we get some former child soldiers from Somalia (which is entirely possible, not probable but possible) it will get very interesting indeed. They'll have some fantastic stories of army life and the fun they had in their preteen/teen years, and can dazzle us with the skills needed to strip, clean and reassemble an AK47 blindfolded - I'd pay to see that

    As Forrest's mom might say - 'IPAS is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get'

    IPAS wk 42.jpg

    As rambo Harris now seems to be far-right curious, I'd guess they got some amount of abuse on the spoilt votes fiasco. Had they not told the MSM to stop running polls over a year ago, they would have known just how the public were feeling

    Promo for liveline yesterday started with PBH inviting people to call in and tell the nation why they spoiled their votes - I'm guessing a phone call was made from Leinster house and the subject never made it any further

    The incompetence of this and the last Govt is frankly astounding - their stupidity has them painted into a corner and they haven't a clue how to get out



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,849 ✭✭✭riddles


    The Vietnamese coming into the mix light Turkish delights not sure why they are here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,469 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Even Ukrainians need to be relooked at by whatever body creates these definitions. Military aged men if Ukraine require them shouldn't be given status. Their very existence is on the line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,304 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Ukraine recently, and on my opinion unwisely, ended the ban on 18-21 year olds emigrating.

    However I would point out that the minimum conscription age in Ukraine is 25. Until late last year it was 27.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,801 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    I'm sometimes perplexed at how non leftie opposition politicans don't make more hay out of the fact that we have Irish teachers moving to Vietnam for 2-3 years to save for a mortgage, yet we are receiving people seeking refuge from that same state, which is 9500km from Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,304 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Interesting discussion on Today with Pat Kenny this morning on Newstalk.

    Despite the labour shortage, Irish construction workers are emigrating.

    That calls into question how much of this is actually a labour shortage, and how much of it is just existing workers emigrating to Australia, United States (even now).

    One of the points made on the show was that some of it is people wanting to "see the world" at their age, and for some its done because they want to build things that are not being built in Ireland. Also the cost of living here.

    I'm wondering does this come back again to our restrictive planning system. Does it limit learning different kinds of construction, because of the focus on low density housing?

    But if the cost of living is bad for Irish workers, whats it like for someone from the developing world?



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,801 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    There's a lot of lads who go to see the world and then get into a good gig and stay longer than they had planned.

    For example, there's a A$16bn motorway project starting up in Adelaide with 6/7 years decent work available. A 2 bedroom apartment by the beach in Adelaide, about 15 minutes drive from the motorway project costs around €1,100 per month to rent. When you see it laid out like that, it's not hard to see why someone with skills in road building isn't in a rush back to Ireland to hear Eamon Ryan preaching about cancelling road projects in the name of saving the planet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,122 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    As someone who has lived in Oz, no matter how things are in Ireland it will always be an extremely attractive place for Irish professionals to move to. The weather and access to some of the most amazing natural beauty and beaches is second to none.

    Nearly every doctor seems to move there for a stint even though they're paid an awful lot here, most of them come back thankfully.

    It's just an amazing country but most Irish people seem to do a few years and come back, it's very far away from family.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,521 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Well, the government spent almost half a million Euro on ads trying to entice Irish construction workers to return from the US, Canada, New Zealand and Australia.

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/nearly-450000-was-spent-on-adverts-to-entice-irish-building-workers-home-from-us-canada-australia-and-new-zealand/a1254918114.html

    While a lot of Irish people have good qualities of life, a lot do not. Any time I look at the life sciences sector outside Dublin, the housing costs alone put me off. I just can't justify paying near London prices for a village in Mayo. I looked at Westport on Daft and all there is to rent is a 3-bedroom house for over €2,500 a month:

    https://www.daft.ie/for-rent/house-attireesh-westport-co-mayo/6287210

    I'm not a young lad any more but I remember finding the idea of being stuck with my parents for the rest of my life earning subsistence wages profoundly miserable. Even if these fellas might not earn that much more in Australia, at least they'll be seeing the world and hopefully having a lot of fun.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,081 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Adelaide was a nice place to vacation, too, and as you say there's plenty of good outdoor activities in Australia, especially if you're a surfer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,122 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/may/31/adelaide-housing-market-affordable-renting

    Massive housing issues in Adelaide and all aussie cities anyway just like home



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,284 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    Capture.JPG

    That's the face of a man who's party took the centre-right/right vote for granted and might have just lost it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    They are certainly coming in their numbers

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2025/1016/1538791-vietnamese-asylum/

    The number of people from Vietnam who sought asylum in Ireland was low during the Covid-19 pandemic, similar to applications from other countries.This is reflected in applications which stood at 12 in 2020, 13 in 2021, and 20 in 2022.In 2023, it rose slightly to 36, then in 2024 it leaped to 251. By mid-August this year it had reached 397 and by 2 October it had reached 520.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,751 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    As expected (Harris comments), FG are starting to move further to the right. I'd expect this to continue over the next 4 years. SF will be alienated as pro immigration.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,468 ✭✭✭Damien360


    SF had already flip flopped and had started to make noises about immigration more towards centre. FG may be talking about changing their stance but I would prefer to see action in that regard. I'm pretty sure FG made similar noises around the general election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,469 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Trump cutting annual refugees from about 125k down to 7k and mostly white south Africans who'd you'd imagine will contribute and assimilate well to American values.

    We've about 60k hotel beds in Ireland. Just saying maybe we should take half for the good of the world?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,725 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Well surprise surprise, Gannon and O Riordain are giving out about what Harris said yesterday.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,801 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Labour MEP Aodhán Ó Ríordáin said on Thursday that Mr Harris’s comments on immigration were “disgraceful and extremely dangerous” and risked legitimising anti-immigrant sentiment. Mr Ó Ríordáin said the Government cannot continue to say “immigration is a good thing” while using language “that undermines that message”.

    “These remarks from the Tánaiste are disgraceful and extremely dangerous,” said Mr Ó Ríordáin. “When the Tánaiste says ‘numbers are too high’, it sends a message that the Government itself is buying into divisive rhetoric. It is reckless, harmful and beneath the office he holds.

    AOR is just a parody of himself at this stage.

    Nice to see the Government in unison about something today that doesn’t come across as attempting to seek the approval of the average Holly Cairns supporter



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,725 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    It's interesting that SF isn't agreeing with the SDs and are also saying the numbers are too high.

    This is quite the change from a year ago when they didn't want to talk about immigration at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,854 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    This is what happens when so much of Labour, SDs, now the Greens, PBP et al don’t actually care about practical realities - it’s all just a big game of “who’s the purest of them all?”

    They’re full of it - Holly Cairns spoke in support of those protesting in Clare after Asylum seekers were dumped in their town and criticised the government’s handling of the Asylum issue. She was of course then excoriated for wrongspeak by the usual suspects and has parroted the party line ever since.

    I note none of these apparent humanitarians have said anything about the horrible atrocities that have been going on in Sudan for some time now. It’s not trendy enough yet I suppose. As the Gaza crisis winds down these #ISupportTheCurrentThing dolts will eventually suddenly realise that Sudan is now actually the most important thing in the world to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 128 ✭✭Thorny Queen


    My sister who is a Paed nurse got notice to leave her accommodation as the house is being sold. She was in a very fortunate position to be a caretaker in that house but owner has passed away.

    There is nothing within her budget to rent in Dublin, or locally at home for that matter. Nor to buy as a single person.

    Will she have anyone coordinating and organising accommodation for her? Not a chance.

    We treat our native people so badly.

    People who do an extremely important job and now can't afford to live in their communities, where they were born and raised and in a country they paid tax in their whole lives.

    My sister did everything right but this country and government has failed her!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,592 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Trump set to cap refugee numbers at 7500 next year. What'll we have this year between Ukrainians n asylum seekers - 30k +? They've a population of 340 million , we 5.5 million!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,122 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    If she presented as homeless to the DSP they would arrange for her to be put in temp accom be it a hotel or hostel or something like that, the homeless persons unit on Parkgate St organise accom for people in this situation and I believe women are prioritised



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,223 ✭✭✭0ph0rce0


    I have a friend who was in a similar position after eviction. Took 6 months to hear back from DSP and they offered her a place in a hostel for her and her 2 young kids in the city center full of junkies. She chose to sleep on a friends couch/floor until she found somewhere available to rent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,122 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Pretty sure they don't put kids in those hostels, there are family hubs, the ones with addicts etc would be single adult hostels.

    Anyway my point was that they do organise accom for Irish people in trouble, or course they do.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,333 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    I see MM has joined the dark side of the far right.



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