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Luas Finglas

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,666 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    In relation to to park and ride. Why not build a multistorey carpark for it, aswell as new residential beside the stop..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 288 ✭✭jwm121


    How many passengers does each line carry a day now? I can only really find pre pandemic numbers. Hybrid week is a lot more common now but yearly numbers are a good bit higher than pre covid which is good. Probably looking at close to 60 million this year? On top of daily ridership numbers than how many extra passengers are we looking at per day with Luas Finglas? I think someone mentioned before the northern line of the green line isn't as busy as the rest but surely this is to change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,313 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,327 ✭✭✭Daith


    The Luas extension will definitely be used. But I wouldn't be surprised to see plenty of people along the F1 route taking the bus instead. It'll be more direct to the city centre, even if it does go down the Whitworth Road.

    Tbh, they should be utilizing the Finglas to Broombridge bus connections better than the current services.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,666 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Would they put an airport shuttle bus from Charlestown to airport ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,313 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,666 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,389 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    This was floated for the Lidl on the North Road roundabout. Essentially they could build a new shop with parking under it over it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,301 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    The 24 has only got seven stops between Charlestown and the Airport going via the Airport Southern Perimeter Road.

    You hardly need an express via the M50 in that scenario.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,377 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    The budget for the HSE for 2025 is 26.9 Billion. Thats just for 2025. Once the metro is built, thats it, you have it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭Ireland trains


    https://www.transportforireland.ie/news/luas-finglas-railway-order-application-granted-by-an-coimisiun-pleanala/

    Saying here it’ll add about 1.3m extra journeys in 2035, rising to 1.8m by 2050.

    IIRC the planning documents said station boardings would be similar to the busiest stations on the south side like Dundrum and Stillorgan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,313 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    It goes the back roads which is quicker more of the day lately. Even taxis that route



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,666 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Yeah I take that route, given that the main entrance is your typical irish light controlled roundabout joke...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,311 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    That big massive car park in Charlestown where the terminus/park and ride is supposed to be, do they know they have started building apartments there?

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    Also, they should continue on out St Margarets road to Dubber cross and through the countryside and under the runway to the new landbank and to the Airport, would be much cheaper (and less planning issues) than Metro



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,929 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    capacity issues wouldn’t allow the luas serve the airport and it wouldn’t help with one of the main reasons for the metro which is north of the airport



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,288 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    The P&R is at the next stop to the south, beside LIDL.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,416 ✭✭✭markpb


    Construction inflation has skyrocketed since 2001.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,301 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Have you ever considered emigration?

    You appear to spend most of your life whining on two different forums about basically everything. You also seem to want a government so right wing it will never get elected here.

    I believe Hungary is nice this time of year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 293 ✭✭Ronald Binge Redux


    I'm glad to see Luas Finglas approved. We've moved on from a time forty years ago where every public transport project was barracked by commentators as being a white elephant. If those idiots were listened to the Greater Dublin Area would be unlivable now. The world moves on. Thank God.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,531 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    It would be good to get what fraction of the 600 million is the direct construction cost.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,514 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    People need to remember a few things for this project when comparing to the Luas Cross City. While it cost €368 million at the time, when adjusted for inflation it would put it at maybe €470 million today.

    Also the construction figure came in very close to the budget estimate, so this would obviously discount any contingency as it wasn't used. So allowing for 20% for unforeseen issues, this would increase it to €564 million or €94 million per kilometre.

    Now add in the complexities on the Finglas route (mainly crossing the rail lines and a river) which would add significant costs to the project.

    Ultimately, the estimated €154 million a km isn't too far off the LCC costs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,522 ✭✭✭spillit67


    48m for 2023 and I think close enough to 50/50 between both lines. Some inflation since I’m sure but capacity is such an issue at this stage so maybe 55m.

    Peak passengers over the four new stops is around 2.8k per the Business Case in 2035. The Line as a whole carries probably 70k on average a day so maybe another 12.5k-15k a day generated from this? So maybe 4m-4.5m more from these stops?

    I’d guess that post this extension, Poolbeg, Lucan and capacity improvements (hopefully in the next decade) that we’ll be at around 85m Luas riders per annum.

    With Metrolink at 50m (base case for 2035) and probably a doubling of existing DART/Commuter (the figures for this are not clear) from c.35m to 70m- we should be around 200m passengers per annum (up from around 85m today) taking a form of rail to traverse the city in the next decade.

    That would be more than doubling the numbers. Conservatively I’d say these extra 120m will come from 50m bus passengers off the road from today, 40m from cars and the remainder general growth in the city population. Between Dublin Bus and Go Ahead they carry about 160m currently, I’d guess general growth will bring them back up to 130m from losing out to rail modal share. Including maybe another 20m or so who us BÉ and other provides to commute to work, buses will be around 150m, down from 180m today.

    Overall share of PT by mode will move from about 2:1 in favour of buses today to more like 60:40 in favour of rail which would be an incredible shift in just a decade.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,522 ✭✭✭spillit67


    There’s about 26km between Lucan Luas, Lucan Poolbeg and this extensive. Over the course of just over a decade, a little under 3km needed a year.

    I know these things aren’t linear but I really think we need to set out a target of expanding the Luas annually by this amount rather than just focusing on individual projects.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,313 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    The majority of the route is uneventful but the St Margaret's road section from the roundabout on Finglas Road to Charlestown is a total tear down, re-align and rebuild. And indeed one that is long overdue, that road is a total mess. Basically a rural road that had a load of industrial unites thrown up on it and ad hoc junctions added, the stupid roundabout outside Lidl is a wonder to behold, how it doesn't have daily accidents I'll never know. This will be transformative for St Margaret's Road. Also Broombridge Road will see a dramatic change. An extension to Ikea would be nice but there are other priorities for luas, most of all we need a second city centre crossing in both the North-South and East-West directions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,688 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    Also, wasn't Rosie Hackett Bridge done as a seperate project (while still funded by the NTA)? That would have cut down on the costs for Luas Cross-city too. Luas Finglas meanwhile has the bridge at Broombridge, and the bridge over the Tolka.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,084 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    And it's got a section of elevated running as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭AngryLips


    The IT were reporting an extra 60k passengers for this line, they didn't specify over what time frame but I assume it was per day.



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