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BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 814 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813


    But these issues were only made worse on race day which is 1 day of the year. Even assuming the marathon wasn't on you can see from this thread discussing previous days that issues were occuring.

    If we made sure everything was as 'non disruptive' as possible no events could ever be held. Inconviences are put up with for loads of sporting evengs - not just the marathon. Look at Croker during an All Ireland Final.

    Plans need to be put in place for these things and communicated well which is not happening regardless of whether events are taking place.

    I'm not even a user of any of the F spines but I'll give you an example - I didn't know my own frequent route (27) is apparantly being renamed the D2 or that the 14 which I use to get from southside to north before swapping over to a 27 is getting its northern route axed. Had to read this thread to get that information.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    I was half joking. Seriously though the marathon is probably the most disruptive event for public transport in the city. No other event has the same amount of road closures. Sure anything in Croke Park is usually only a few roads near the ground closed off.

    The Patrick's day parade is also very disruptive however is at least contained to the core city centre. They should really go back to having the Marathon on the BH Monday was far less disruptive than the Sunday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    The Dublin City Marathon is a massive event. 22,500 participants with at least that again trying to get an entry. Every participant probably has between two to five supporters out around the course or in the city afterwards.

    Hotels are sold out a year in advance, people book restaurants, coffee shops and bars are packed all day and the spend in the city is very high.

    It starts at 08:45 on a Sunday, before many venture out. People train for months on end and try and get to peak fitness for the day. Major cities right across the world hold marathons that go right into the heart of their cities and Dublin should be no different.

    Now, things like the E1 not being worked on the Northside by a depot that is 3km from the terminus, running shorts from Northwood to Westmoreland St and back is the laziness of the operator and the NTA being a useful as a chocolate teapot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,328 ✭✭✭Daith


    A lot of the runners would be making use of the bank holiday Monday to recover or get back home

    The NTA should be able to manage it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 transportnerd


    I can’t understand why the buses are still messed up today though? Neither the 80 or the S2 showed up at 9:06 or 9:18 from Rathmines to Heuston this morning despite showing up as running on Google maps. Had to get a taxi instead. Checked the TFI app afterwards and it says diversions still in place today which makes no sense



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Theres no diversions on either of those routes today. The TFI app just doesnt have them spread out well. They have yesterday's diversions still there below todays.

    Also dont use Google maps to see if your bus is coming bustimes.org will have it if its tracking. I dont see the S2 service having tracked.

    However the 80 did operate and tracked through Rathmines on time, see following link https://bustimes.org/services/80-liffey-valley-sc-palmerston-park/vehicles?date=2025-10-27#journeys/797149847



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 transportnerd


    What is Google maps tracking then? Where did it get its real time info from? It was telling me the 80 was late and would be at the swan centre at 9:06 and that the S2 was running on time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 162 ✭✭The Mathematician


    I hope this isn't too specific a question for this thread, but if you are going from O'Connell St to IKEA (not today, an ordinary weekday but off peak), you have the choice of the 19, E2 and F1. Is it worth waiting for a specific one due to route/traffic, or is is best to just get on the first one that comes along?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,638 ✭✭✭VG31


    E2 would be the quickest but only by a few minutes. I wouldn't wait specifically for one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,733 ✭✭✭rx8


    The 19 goes on a magical mystery tour of Glasnevin and Ballymun before it gets to IKEA, but the others have to contend with the disaster that is Phibsboro, … so, 50/50 init….



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,328 ✭✭✭Daith


    The F1 doesn't go through Phibsboro and would be decent enough to Ikea off-peak.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,733 ✭✭✭rx8


    Whitworth Rd / Prospect road is technically Phibsboro, even though it doesn't actually pass through the centre of it where the shopping centre is… Also, it covers what used to be route 140, and the last time I drove that, it was always busy, whatever time of day it was. The 19 probably would be my choice as it's not so busy off-peak.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,301 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    The 09:00 80 operated on time from Palmerston Park - looks like you missed it somehow.

    https://bustimes.org/services/80-liffey-valley-sc-palmerston-park/vehicles#journeys/797149847

    It looks like the bus operating the 09:00 S2 ex-Irishtown must have had a mechanical issue at the terminus - it operated the previous 08:00 trip to Irishtown, but has not been recorded operating any service since.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 162 ✭✭The Mathematician


    It looks like the 80 left 5 minutes early. To my mind, this is much worse than 5 minutes late, especially for an infrequent service. What are the rules again for how early is too early, is it 2 minutes?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,301 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    No it didn't leave early. The driver logged on at 08:55 for that trip at the terminus that's all.

    Click on the next timestamp on the map at the top of Palmerston Road - it was 09:01.

    The bus left bang on time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 162 ✭✭The Mathematician


    Ah I see, many thanks. Do you know the answer to my other question, how early does a service have to pass a timing point to be counted as not on time?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,301 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Over a minute early or more than 6 minutes late and the operator incurs penalties - unless it is outside their control.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 Paul_798


    Yesterday during evening peak Gardai had Dawson St. and Kildare St. blocked to vehicular traffic although Luas was allowed through. This wouldn't have had anything to do with the Marathon.

    The F1/F2/F3 and 82 were all running along College Green/Camden Street and stopping at any stop where anyone dinged or stuck their hand out. ( I was surprised that they didn't go via Christchurch on the old 54A routing rather than the old 9 routing )

    Most of the Fs and the 16s southbound said on the RTPI displays that they were only going to Harolds X Green although the buses were showing the normal destinations.

    It seems like North Dublin Buses philosophy in future will be to abandon the F spine on the southside at the first sign of trouble.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,638 ✭✭✭VG31


    Prospect Road is Glasnevin and Whitworth Road is Drumcondra/Glasnevin. Phibsboro doesn't start until you go past the Royal Canal (where there is a welcome to Phibsboro sign).

    If you want the quietest route, the 19 is definitely the one to choose. It's almost never busy after DCU northbound in my experience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,301 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    The buses can only display the destinations that are programmed into them.

    To be fair to the bus company the marathon route makes it next to near impossible to serve much of the areas served by the F-Spine south of the river.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,187 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    Has the BusConnects network map for Dublin been updated again on the BusConnects website today?

    IrishCycle.com has an article explaining some changes to how the buses will be running through South Great George's St and St Stephens Green when DCC eventually start to build the College Green Plaza.

    https://irishcycle.com/2025/10/26/2025-busconnects-updated-map-shows-how-buses-will-be-routed-away-from-college-green/

    The above article confirms here that the A-Spine will be going through St Stephens Green and the 23, 24, 71, 72 & the 80 will be going through South Great George's St for the duration of it's construction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 655 ✭✭✭noelfirl


    The map was updated a couple of weeks ago, the article is a bit late to the party.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,638 ✭✭✭VG31


    Is keeping to the schedule not a thing anymore? This is an extreme case but I've seen this quite a lot recently, particularly on the 24.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,301 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    You should look at the previous stops on the schedule.

    If you did, you would see that the schedule is ludicrous - it gives the bus 10 minutes to travel 2 stops just before where you show above for a journey that would actually take 2 minutes. Would you prefer the bus to keep going or to sit at those stops for 2 waits of 4 minutes each?

    The schedule needs a complete recast as the NTA designed something that cannot work.

    I suspect that drivers at this stage are beyond fed up - it's a shambles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,622 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Sit at the 2 stops for 4 minutes each or wait at the 3rd stop until the scheduled departure time.

    Then redo the schedule.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,301 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Well the problem if you do that is that there isn’t enough time in the schedule for the bus to then get to the terminus in time and then the next trip ends up being cancelled or partially cancelled.

    Also, are they suitable and safe locations for a bus to sit waiting for the timetable to catch up with the bus?

    You also end up with a lot of very frustrated people on board the bus.

    The schedules are not worth the paper they are written on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,622 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Agreed that the schedule needs to be redrawn but a lot of people frustrated on the bus in the interim is better than a lot of people frustrated & not on the bus, because it left 10 minutes early.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,638 ✭✭✭VG31


    At 23:30 or any off peak time that is not a valid reason. The timetable is not so tight that the bus needs to be running that early.

    I agree the timetable is badly designed currently but there is absolutely no excuse for running 14 minutes early.

    It's not ideal but yes the bus should wait at the stops until the stated time. It's annoying for the people on the bus but it's not as annoying as it is for the people that miss their bus that was due in 8 minutes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,313 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    F2 stopped twice on a journey from city centre to Finglas for more than 8 minutes each time to get back on schedule.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,444 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    I'd be rightly pissed off if I missed the last bus at night because it was 14 minutes early.

    Not your ornery onager



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