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Amazon WFH Policy

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,974 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Micromanagement in general is the issue with your post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,510 ✭✭✭McGrath5


    Now Dell are ordering their sales staff back to the office 5 days per week…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,648 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Makes sense for the bigger companies. Nightmare to keep track of people WFH and Dell is the most micromanaged company ever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,364 ✭✭✭caviardreams


    Dell sales staff RTO mandate from Monday! Lack of notice here is poor imo

    https://www.siliconrepublic.com/business/dell-return-to-office-five-days-sales



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,974 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 341 ✭✭Soc_Alt


    Hopefully reality starts kicking in now for many posters in this thread that RTO is inevitable for most eemployees.

    It will be return or quit policy in 2025.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,648 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    The lack of notice is to shed staff for free. They've just had a huge round of redundancies and they know by doing this they'll make loads more leave without having to pay them off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 638 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    Dell already badly failed in their general attempted to force staff back to hybrid from fully remote there is no reason to believe this won’t be ignored either. If it’s one or two people maybe disciplinary action could be taken but if a similar percentage like 50% which refused the hybrid return even what can they really do, can’t sack half the sales team.

    Absolute dinosaur thinking though and don’t get me started on phrases like this “To harness this energy and grow skills, we believe our sales teams need to be together in the office.”

    Would make you want to vomit, a completely baseless statement. What forced 5 days in the office does is create tired, disgruntled and stressed employees nothing more.

    Post edited by SodiumCooled on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 428 ✭✭the14thwarrior


    forcing people in an office to work together? tired, disguntled and stressed? its an office, not a warfield. Not a prison, not a forced company picnic in the lashings of rain.

    what is wrong with people these days? a few months WFH and no one can tolerate anyone's company? or never wanted to? the same crowd that are in each others armpits at gigs and sharing flats and ryan air cabins? lol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,499 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    don't forget the 4 hour round trip commutes, it's a warzone once you cross the threshold of your front door!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 428 ✭✭the14thwarrior


    A war zone I know.

    check app for bus times, radio and a million social media thingys for road closures, train delays, crashes. stick on ear phones and leave house. Keep ear phones on whole day till you travel home to the safety of your house. rinse and repeat five days a week.

    Very stressful



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,257 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    That really does sound like hell to me 😂

    We're all very different at the end of the day.

    Which is why I think hybrid is great. You want to be in the office, you can.

    You don't want to be in the office, you can.

    Everyone's happy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭HurlingBoy


    Everyone got a taste of WFH during COVID and saw how much easier life was with no commutes, more family time etc. It was level playing field for employers, employees and was forced out of necessity. Employers want to offer some flexibily, build a culture of collaboration and keep morale high. The problem is that some employees will not adhere to WFH policies and then this negatively impacts on morale on those who do. It's a bit like the football team where a few players do not show up for training but have told the manager that they are doing their own training at home. If it's the same players over and over again no believes this. It's the same with a workplace other team members will assume the worker at home is doing less and less.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 638 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    A few months? I am 5 years working for my current employer of that 4 years were either fully remote or hybrid (max 3 days in the office per week). Not being in the office 5 days is now my normal.

    That does sound quite stressful and an awful waste of time if you just work alone all day with headphones on why couldn’t it be done from home? Commuting is a waste of time and money along with the stress of it - both the stress of the actual journey and the issues not being at home is creating e.g. not being able to do a school pick up during the day and how will it be done if you or your partner aren’t WFH to do it. That’s just one example.

    There is so many advantages to wfh for both family and general work life balance reasons it is a major issue of people who are being needlessly forced back to offices 5 days per week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,499 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    awh its cute the way you are following me around, and also making stuff up, if that happened quote the post ;)

    if you think i feel in any way inferior to you then you are sadly mistaken 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,499 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    I have corrected you on your use of your before, it's not your making a fool of yourself it's you are or you're.

    And that's not the same thing, it was related to your inability to comprehend what i was saying, c'mon if you are going to follow me around and try throw shade try a little harder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,499 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    It only took two attempts, that's great you have something to take forward in life and improve your grammar. Unfortunately for me i can't take anything positive from our interactions but hey ho, them's the breaks.

    Not calling me a fool now are you? petty little personal attack, i am shocked!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,499 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,499 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    almost had it, just missing a '.

    Cheerio, it's been illuminating again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2 Mayyy1923


    They know the market isn’t great right now for tech so they’re barrelling ahead with a RTO. You could call your shots in tech not so long ago, following the tech layoffs the pendulum is swinging the other way.

    Not surprised though, Amazon were just waiting to do this.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,616 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Some of us have worked remote long before lockdown. This is just a means to cull numbers. It is what it is .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭HurlingBoy


    I think prior to lockdown in the large MNC tech companies their was no specific WFH policies and agreement for workers was on a add hoc basis based off each person's personal circumstances i.e someone who had a few year service and built up a trust with their manager was allowed to work from home 1 or 2 days a week if they had a long commute. Post Covid return to office bought WFH policies under scrutiny. The worker living a few miles from the office said to themselves why should I come into the office while the worker living 2 hours away can stay at home. Post Covid bought everyone on an equal standing i.e everyone can work from home 2 days a week regardless of where you live. I agree it is an headcount reduction exercise by Amazon but it is also to remove these variables around 1 employee getting the WFH benefit and the other not getting it. The fear for all tech workers is that all companies will follow suit and try and keep the playing field level when it comes to recruiting i.e not offer Hybrid\WFH



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,616 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I think if you pick a career as deep sea diver it's a bit much complaining there aren't equal WFH opportunities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭HurlingBoy


    I'm referring to IT\tech jobs. Prior to Covid WFH was not that common place, since COVID almost every IT job has hybrid in the job description. Is that going to change now going forward? I would say Yes, particularly if there is any change for the worst in the jobs market.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,616 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    You were implying WFH has to be available to everyone or nobody for equality. Which doesn't make sense, because some jobs can be done remotely some can't.

    I'm sure WFH as a perk will be less common if the job market shrinks. It's still not easy to get IT people though.

    But these RTO are mostly a blunt tool to shed numbers rather than anything else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 143 ✭✭Juza1973


    You don't feel for us, you just know one way of living your working life, and add "mental health", which in this context is a buzzword, too it to sound authoritative. My mental health improved a lot without the commuting!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,307 ✭✭✭twin_beacon


    As I said earlier in this thread, the move to get people into the office was just a way to cut the workforce without having to pay redundancies


    https://www.irishtimes.com/technology/big-tech/2025/10/28/amazon-targets-as-many-as-30000-corporate-job-cuts-sources-say/

    "A programme begun early this year to bring employees back in the office five days per week, among tech’s most stringent, has failed to generate sufficient attrition, said two of the people, citing that as another reason for the size of the layoff. "



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,616 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    "...Amazon has also been under pressure in the short-term to offset the long-term investments in building out its AI infrastructure...."

    Over hired in the pandemic, needs to cut numbers to invest in its AI.

    Don't need to be Sherlock Holmes to put two and two together on that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,648 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Some of the people who helped built the AI environment are now losing their jobs…….. to AI.

    Usual US culture of hire and fire. Microsoft, Oracle, Cisco, HP all doing the rounds too at the moment.

    You'd assume any other company cutting 10% of their workforce means theyre in trouble but oh no. What a sh1tty culture.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,616 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I dunno that part was a bit vague.

    "... Amazon is likely realising enough AI-driven productivity gains..."

    That sounds creating a narrative which might not true but that can be used to justify further job cuts.

    I've yet to see an AI do some thing that didn't need a lot human input and correction and oversight or 100% accurate. Certainly not to a level where it could replace thousands of people.



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