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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,639 ✭✭✭feargale


    You seem to know a lot aloabout Cavan Monaghan. Just curious. Do you know anything about the sectarianism that HH complained of? There seem to be no details in the public realm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,561 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    It's not that 'no one will be named' It's that no one can be named.

    As it was very few wanted to run so I don't know where this great mythical unity candidate was to come from.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,426 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    HH is very popular in Cavan / Monaghan. She wouldn't have received sectarian abuse in those counties before AFAIK.

    As an aside, both counties have a high % of protestants in them. FG would typically get the protestant vote.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,458 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    If you were not suggesting that I was FF or a Martin fanboy, then why did you ask me if I was trying to create a smokescreen ?

    FF grassroots members may have been keen on running a candidate, but nobody from the parliamentary party, or ex-parliamentary members put their names forward for selection other than Kelleher, so there didn`t seem to be much interest from the members of the party that had a selection vote. The entire senior cabinet of FF declared for Gavin before the vote, effectively ruling themselves out of a challenge to Martin no matter how Gavin fared.

    Martin is not going to lose sleep over 10 of the parliamentary party looking for him to go. With them now waiting until after this internal inquiry shows even they know that Gavin is not going to bring Martin down. In fact he is probably surprised it is only 10 as there were more publicly making noise back in 2020 looking for him to go and it came to nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    It isnt just the Protestant vote though. Cavan about 4000 members of the Church of Ireland in the 2022 census. Monaghan is about 3% Church of Ireland and 3% Presbyterian. 17% in Cavan-Monaghan are non Catholic but only about half of that is Protestant. I think she won it mostly because she was a minister and TD there. Shes a Presbyterian.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,990 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    I live on the Longford, Cavan border. My local town and hostelries i frequent are in Cavan. I never said Heather complained about it. The local social media was rife with it though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,554 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “Martin is safe until his term as Taoiseach is over. The only heave that will come is if after that he says he intends leading them into the next general election imo”

    He would be mad to even consider leading into next election- a 2027 handover would give time for the new leader to make enough of a positive impact without being seen as the cause of whatever problems exist coming up to the next election- it would also make FG look a little stale and tired .

    I think MM will survive this current upheaval - I’m not sure anyone wants to become the new leader via a leadership challenge - it’s always a better option if the current leader steps down somewhat voluntarily -

    MM has been leader for too long anyway and he knows his time is coming to an end - the “control” and “not listening” accusations flying around , directed at his leadership style, are very similar to what happened to Margaret Thatcher - she stopped listening to pretty much everyone including trusted advisers who were in fairness giving good advice in the main -having watched the excellent BBC documentary (A very British revolution) again recently, there are parallels here in terms of how she behaved in her final term and how MM is apparently behaving now.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0005br9



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,990 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Yes she's popular, despite efforts to make her not so. She has had her interactions with the O Farrell family and her so called involvement with animal cruelty brought up in the campaign. But despite all this she won the constituency well, a major achievement for her in a border constituency.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    What campaign was launched against her 'there'?
    Humphreys was always popular here and I have said before she attracted a vote that cut across party's. She had many who voted for her who would never ordinarily have voted FG.

    That vote held.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    She says she spoke to Maria Farrell. I don't know what HH's role was. But I can understand the frustration of someone in that situation. The truth is that the bureaucracy can sometimes lead to questions being passed from this minister to that, from this agency to that etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,990 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    You for instance on here pointed out her village background and ethnic population for instance. The fact that her village had an English only sign post and the fact that her area would sit just as well across the border.

    I seen lots of stuff on social media, that I'm not going to link or put up here, but clearly racist and indeed malicious.

    The point I was making as to where I am in the conversation is the fact that SF must be wondering how a border constituency, a SF stronghold really and with two sitting TDs, one of them being touted as a potential leader, bucked the national trend and Humphreys won it well. Surely SF must be wondering why Connollys campaign gained so much less traction here than elsewhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    George Galloway gloating about CC win.

    Galloway used to be a presenter on Sputnik, the state owned Russian news agency.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You for instance on here pointed out her village background and ethnic population for instance. The fact that her village had an English only sign post and the fact that her area would sit just as well across the border.

    I seen lots of stuff on social media, that I'm not going to link or put up here, but clearly racist and indeed malicious.

    There is nothing racist about asking someone why her home village was so openly breaking the law around dual language signs when the candidate was extolling the importance of the language to them. It might be an inconvenient question but there is nothing racist or malicious about it. All religion persuasions and none here are expected to observe the laws of the land. Offhand I can think of multiple TD's and Ministers asked about their local areas and homeplaces and indeed Humphreys has been scrutinised before for other anomalies in her home constituency.

    SF will know as well as anyone that Humphreys was hugely popular personally here and that Cavan/Monaghan (look to previous referendums) is not a 'left stronghold' on social issues.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,990 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    It is not illegal to erect a sign for a town or village in Ireland only in English.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Official place names must be displayed in Irish and English by law, defined Gaeltacht areas are exempted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,561 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Success has many fathers failure is an orphan, was never truer than with this election.

    What the 'fathers' conveniently miss is that the Irish Presidency in terms of actual power is equivalent to electing the chairman of a town council. It's all about 'symbolism' and the Irish love 'symbolism' as it allows them to appear virtuous without having to suffer the consequences.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭munster87




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,785 ✭✭✭pureza


    Would that question not have been best directed at the chairperson of the local county council? Is it still being asked or was it an election special?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,294 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    While Jim may have pulled out, his name was still on the ballot meaning there was potential for FF to recoup their election expenses which is why they would have been happy with the numpties encouraging voting for Jim as some daft kind of protest.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The question was relevant when the candidate was espousing how important the Irish language was to her and her failure to learn it despite promising to.

    TD's and Ministers have often been questioned on anomalies between their stated positions and what has happened in their local patches/constituencies.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,785 ✭✭✭pureza


    The threshold is a 25% vote share so they lost out there

    Fine Gael a little bit luckier



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,863 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Jim's posters are still up around Galway which is crazy. I know they have 7 days post election to remove them but they must have deliberately left them up for votes or to embarrass Martin. I have added all 3 candidates posters to my collection in the garage. Jim's posters in particular is huge.

    Wishing Michael D Higgins a speedy recovery from hospital.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,376 ✭✭✭golfball37


    It’s 12.5% as I read if spoiled were a candidate they would have recouped their expenses



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,467 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    25% of the quota to get your expenses paid out, on the final count when eliminated. So for presidential election the theshold was 12.5%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Because I was hoping you had a rational explanation for your nonsensical views on FF.

    You are correct in saying that Billy Kelleher MEP was the only FF elected representative to put himself forward. Did it not occur to you that similarly, of all the FG elected representatives, only Sean Kelly MEP threw his hat in the ring?And both MEPs are pissed off that the leadership blocked them with candidates who did not hold elected office.

    Now try a dose of the auld dialectical inversion to clear your mind - why did no sitting member of the Oireachtas from either government party express an interest in the cushiest, most prestigious, least accountable, best paid elected Office when a former Taoiseach and two former Deputy FF Leaders were gagging for it? You obviously have no clue but don't feel bad, nobody in the media has even asked the question and they'd probably have a breakdown if they tried to explain it.

    But despite all evidence, you still think MM isn't bothered about those now looking to get rid of him? Even the media can see that this. Why else have his minions rushed to defend him?

    Unwittingly perhaps, but you touch on a valid point about 2020 as a crisis point for MM. GE2020 was a set-back for his plan to lead FF back to the top of Irish politics. Just over 30 years earlier, a poor election forced Haughey into his worst nightmare- a coalition with Dessie, his sworn enemy. That destroyed Haughey (and Albert) but Bertie made it work for a decade. In 2020 MM had to convince FF to accept the unthinkable - sharing power with the Blueshirts. It is a measure of his success that, by GE2024, FF'ers forgot they had swallowed the poison pill and were delighted to turn those Blueshirt transfers into 10 extra seats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,990 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    It depends on the age of the sign. New ones must, but before 2005 they werent required to. Older signs can still be in place. Either way, Humphreys would hardly be responsible for it. Surely its the Council of the area.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Nobody said she was. What was simply being asked was what was her opinion of it.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,294 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    It was clearly being said with the aim of subtly connecting HH to the fact that Drum has signs that are in English only despite no connection being there!
    It was an obvious smear attempt!

    FWIW I'd also point out that there are many road signs that do not abide by the Traffic Signs Manual. I've also notified councils of various breaches of these guidelines and they tend to go ignored.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Well in that case, any questioning of candidates can be seen as attempting to smear them.

    My question was clearly defined in the context of her professed love and value of the Irish language.

    *Most ridiculous aspect of the whole campaign was the emergence of this 'out of bounds' category, lest you offend some sensibilities.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,458 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Pretty much what I was saying.

    If there was to be a push against Martin over Gavin it would have to be from a high profile member of the party with ministerial experience for it to be successful as it would not be just a case of the potential winner becoming leader of FF, but also leader of the country as Taoiseach. All the senior cabinet members publicly endorsed Gavin before the selection vote and have effectively ruled themselves out on initiating a heave based on Gavin.

    O Callaghan has looked the most likely a few times now to be the one to make a move against Martin, but has balked when push came to shove and his again diddering on publicly supporting Gavin with him being the last senior minister to do so has in all likelihood killed of his future chances. If there was to be a challenge based on Gavin, Cowan might has had a good shot at toppling him, but the Cowan name might be a hindrance, plus he is now an MEP and his not publicly supporting his fellow MEP Kelleher appears that he at least tacitly backed Gavin. Other than that I cannot see anyone that could defeat Martin on the basis of Gavin at this stage.

    There may be something in the future to change this, but right now I cannot see any push against Martin in the two years he has left as Taoiseach. If he did not acknowledge he was standing down as leader shortly after that, then there would highly likely be a challenge. Who that would come from I have no idea as there are no outstanding candidates that I can see at the minute, so whoever it would possibly be would need to have their ducks in a row or they could just as easily fail as succeed.

    Chambers is the Martin anointed prince in waiting so it will be interesting to see if he, in the tradition of kings and princes, is the one that finally takes him out should Martin start throwing out vibes of intending to lead them into the next GE.



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