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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,696 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


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    I'm guessing you're going to make up some nonsensical lies about why this isn't relevant

    Classic right wing politics by you right there!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    That is a general principle which is then completely undermined by four or five loopholes later in the Code!!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭liamtech


    I dont know if its of any benefit here, or if my input is appreciated. I know we have sparred quite a bit, for while now.

    But i am 100% on your side with regard to this story. 100%

    Who Connolly represented while she was a barrister, is no concern of mine. And it should have no bearing on anyones opinion of Catherine Connolly. If it emerged that she represented Mexican Drug Cartels, or Serbian War Criminals - it makes no difference. She is/was a barrister, that is her job. You are quite right to highlight the Cab Rank Rule, and its valid in this case. If barristers could simply refuse to take on clients that they disliked, for whatever reason, this would create a HUGE conflict of interest. Legal representation would be lacking, in a system where everyone (and every group, or legal entity) is entitled to be represented. That is what balances the system. No matter who it is, what the crime or case may be, or what outcomes could lead to - EVERYONE, is entitled to representation. You could take the worst possible person, who has committed unspeakable crimes. They remain entitled to legal representation, PERIOD.

    To those critics of Connolly - i understand your position, and i share your concerns. But this is the wrong line to take; honestly, I am both bewildered, and yet unsurprised that FG are doing this. It reeks of desperation, its morally and ethically wrong. IT IS A SMEAR. Period. If FG want to go down this path, that is on them. But I cannot be a party to it, and IMHO, you should not get involved.

    The election is over really, and this is the final nail in the coffin. If anything, i predict that Connolly's winning margin will increase in the wake of this faulty move by FG and HH.

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,696 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I was previously going to just put a tick or an 'X' in the box beside Catherine Connolly's name. Now it'll be

    • 1 Connolly,
    • 2 Gavin
    • 3 Humphries

    Although I realise that you are probably saying I can just leave the box beside Humphries name blank. Not a bad shout in fairness



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 332 ✭✭Hillmanhunter1


    You are right - it is not relevant, it is not a cab rank rule.

    This is what a cab rank rule looks like (from the British rules for Barristers):

    Cab Rank Rule.PNG


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,696 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Which ones? Or did you make that up?

    Out of interest did you also make up Connolly's membership of the Galway housing protest groups?

    Common theme with you it seems

    As I said, nonsensical lies



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 405 ✭✭tarvis


    thankfully in Friday AM the going round in verbal circles and oft repeated arguments will be things of the past and ‘shure it’ll do” can reign supreme once more.

    The first comment on Saturday will no doubt be - ‘the voters didn’t understand what they were being asked to do’



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,572 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I also find it quite hilarious how the FFG candidate is so fixated on repossessions - considering who was the Government at the time the housing market went kablamo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,696 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I think the candidate has actually alienated the FF part of the coalition. Never seen FF so unwilling to get behind a govt candidate.

    Even the FG councilors in my area have nothing on their social media about the presidential campaign since last week. Social distancing on social media at its finest, and I can't blame them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,696 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    If HH actually wins this election then the voters clearly didn't understand something, largely down to the pack of lies being fed to them from team Humphries



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,632 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I don't know when HH got the job as CU manager but… in fairness to her…

    From what I remember CUs were community established, many of the local women area were part-time volunteer cashiers through to the 90s and potentially into the early 2000s in some areas.

    So if she started out as part of the volunteer end of the CU she could respectfully say that she was working with the community.

    However the CUs really have just become local banks at this point and much like An Post are re-selling an overprice current account IMO.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Despite my opposition to Connolly as President, i think she will win, in the first and only count - and by a wide margin

    This current story/smear will backfire badly, because it appears to be exactly what it is. A desperate attempt to swing an election, by any means possible. Its last ditch, and entirely baseless, and il be REALLY interested to see who, among FG, do NOT get involved with it? That will be telling IMHO, and from that group, i suspect we will see the next leader of the party.

    This is an attempt to make up for a lowsy campaign, a poor candidate who lacks ability and charisma, and a disorganized plan to win the election. And lets be frank, FF did even worse with their candidate, so the government are going to see a further diminishing of their position in the polls. And quite right too

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,572 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I doubt people would have boarded the Titanic while it was sinking either tbf.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,696 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    It will backfire very badly. You look at the people Connolly is targeting her votes from and you will see people who don't simply follow a pied piper. The ones who question everything and can generally see through the horse manure that this very clearly is



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,857 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I don't think Connolly will win on the first count. I think it will be tight. The change of tactics and smear campaign is happening in the most influencial week and we have no polls to judge impact. I think Jim Gavin's transfers will be important still.

    Part of me wants Connolly to stay in the Dail. Her profile is huge now and if she loses, it would unite the Left even further considering the tactics and money used. She would have much more impact as a senior stateswoman in the Dail. FFG despise her now and that fine with me.

    Fine Gael lose integrity no matter what happens. FF don't have any to lose!

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Its just not a valid move by FG. And anyone who thinks about it for more than a minute, will realize this!

    The rules for barristers are in place, in order to ensure that anyone and everyone, will receive legal representation. The exceptions are only meant for obviously extenuating circumstances, and conflicts of interest.

    If a barrister receives a case to deal with, and that case concerns a violent thief, they must take the case. An exception could be warranted if, for example, they were related to one of the victims of said thief. Then there would be grounds for the barrister to seek permission to hand off the client to someone else.

    If it were possible for barristers to pick and choose clients based on personal taste, or sincerely held beliefs, the system falls apart. You can easily imagine a horrendous criminal, who has committed gross acts, publically, leaving little doubt as to their guilt. You cannot allow a situation where barristers can refuse to handle the case. If it were simple for barristers to pick and choose cases, then who ever does inevitably take on this client will be smeared by association. Which could then lead to more situations where barristers would have to weigh whether or not to accept clients, based on public perception. It creates a huge conflict of interest. It could also leave open the possibility that, a criminal could challenge their sentence based on the real chance that their barrister, having not wanted the case, may have failed to provide adequate council. Its so blatently obvious; Barristers take any cases they are assigned to, unless a serious conflict of interest is obviously apparent.

    I really am shocked that this smear is gaining any traction. It shouldnt, and in terms of the election, it wont make a difference. FG have lost the election, they failed to adequately challenge their opponent, it really is as simple as that. The fact they are doing this, is embarassing.

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    If you look at the video and the comments, you would see that most people are shocked FG are indulging in smear/attack at any cost videos.

    I can't see it shifting many of the 38% voting for Connolly, so this attack/smear campaign has to gain Heather 18% from somewhere else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,574 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Listening to a bit of Raidio Na Gaeltachta contributor and interviewer discussing CC in the Presidential Election. Contributor made the point on barrister/banks issue. That if a TD or minister was asked the same question it would not be framed as “nasty” as Bacik has done. But pointed out CC has yet to answer the question directly. And why hasn’t she etc. As in a Presidential election you are going to face scrutiny.

    The contributor was Barry Ward TD (Fine Gael) calling for people to vote HH. Ward is also a trained barrister SC.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭liamtech


    I don't think Connolly will win on the first count. I think it will be tight. The change of tactics and smear campaign is happening in the most influencial week and we have no polls to judge impact

    Its possible, but personally, i cannot see it happening; that is, i cannot see this having a serious impact. I think it far more likely that CC's base are galvanized by this obvious smear. I also think that, Humphreys voters will be disaffected slightly by this move. I might receive a slap from some on this thread, but my position is this. I cant turn around now, and claim to support Connolly, i have serious reservations about her as president. I was sure that, i would have to turn my nose, and vote for Humphreys. I am no longer sure i can do this. I am no longer even sure that i want HH to win now, because if she wins as a result of smear, the credibility of her presidency is diminished in my view.

    Part of me wants Connolly to stay in the Dail. Her profile is huge now and if she loses, it would unite the Left even further.

    Despite my misgivings about the radical activist Left, i think this is a valid consideration, and I agree with you. If she did lose and remain a TD, she could serve as a unifying Lefty, and maybe push for more vote management between the Left Wing parties. Iv said before, i view the Local/European and General elections, as being far more important than this race to the Aras.

    Overall though, i think this smear will backfire, if it has not already done so. I think Connolly wins, and in my view by a good margin. The reason i doubt Gavin/transfers will play a part, is that i suspect his total 1st prefs will not be sufficient to push HH beyond CC. For that reason, i doubt we see a second count.

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Can you send me a link to the video? Iv watched several, and read comments - just want to clarify which one you are referring to - maybe DM me if you can!

    Look I dont know anymore. Its been a pityful election cycle, and iv made my thoughts clear RE the candidates. But this move is bonkers. I assumed this story would just fall by the wayside, but we are where we are. Im sure a good chunk of the last debate will be consumed by it. Which is outrageous in my view.

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,780 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    we have no polls to judge impact.

    Somebody said there's gonna be a Business Post one tomorrow?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,857 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Great post. I actually think HH is uncomfortable with the change in tactics by FG. I think it's been driven by Simon Harris and others but it does tarnish her legacy no matter what happens. I haven't seen Connolly attack Humphreys once yet. Connolly focuses on her own attributes.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,857 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Not going to promote it. See the FG Twitter page.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,409 ✭✭✭corkie


    @Red Silurian Although I realise that you are probably saying I can just leave the box beside Humphries name blank. Not a bad shout in fairness

    At the max there will only be 2 counts. So effectively only marking 1 & 2 is all that is needed!

    @Hillmanhunter1

    • In Ireland, the "cab rank rule" is not a statute written into legislation but is instead a professional obligation set out in the Code of Conduct of The Bar of Ireland.
    • in Ireland, the cab rank rule is a code of conduct obligation, not a statutory law.

    https://www.lawlibrary.ie/statement-from-the-council-of-the-bar-of-ireland-the-fundamental-importance-of-an-independent-referral-bar/

    So your correct you wont find it written into legalization. But still exists! Can we put an end to this back and forth over it now?

    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~ George Santayana
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    There's a poll in The Journal today relating to canvassing with the vast majority having not been canvassed by either but of those that were the number is drastically higher from Connolly's team (11.8%) compared with Humphreys (3.5%). I found it interesting in my constituency where all 3 TDs declared for Humphreys (FF + Lowry + Alan Kelly) but seemingly none of them have campaigned for her while I got a knock on the door yesterday from volunteers asking for support for Connolly.

    It seems to be a trend of a general lack of effort and enthusiasm from the Humphreys camp on the ground game which aligns with her not doing the podcast circuit and declining to appear on Matt Cooper's show.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,780 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    It was dulpit upthread. They said they heard it mentioned on the IT political podcast.

    By the way is the media moratorium a thing of the past now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 332 ✭✭Hillmanhunter1


    The cab rank rule is not a code of conduct obligation - there is nothing in the code that would have obliged Connolly to take the bank repossession business (nobody suggested that it was a statutory law).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,467 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    That's what I heard on the Irish Times Politics Podcast yesterday.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,696 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    The bit that worries me most… There is a lot in that code of conduct about confidentiality between clients and barristers. At one juncture actually saying privacy has to be respected even after a clients death

    How did this information actually become public knowledge?



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