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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 332 ✭✭Hillmanhunter1


    Show me the rule that required Connolly to take the bank repossession business.

    Take your time😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,633 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I could be wrong but I am assume that should a client come up that Barristers can ask not to be assigned to that client and that another barrister should be assigned to the case.

    I could be wrong but I got the impression that Micheal McDowell had asked or had been requested as the Barrister for Maurice McCabe.

    Perhaps I've watch too much of Rumpole of the Bailey. Heather would clearly be "She who must be obeyed".

    However with that said, I feel that both sides are throwing mud but are afraid to actually pick up the mud to throw.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,982 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Yeah, it's funny how that hasn't been remarked more on. Being able to be professional and do the job required is actually something in favour in terms of her suitability as President.

    I wasn't that pushed about voting really - I'm still not hugely enthused by each candidate, but I think trying to smear CC - that word is bandied about a lot, but I think it's appropriate here - in such a low and,frankly, brain dead manner has made me decide to vote for her, rather than to not vote at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The Bar Council clearly says it is a 'duty' and that it is known as 'the Cab Rank Rule' (their inverted commas).

    Your gotcha isn't a gotcha.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,696 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.lawlibrary.ie/statement-from-the-council-of-the-bar-of-ireland-the-fundamental-importance-of-an-independent-referral-bar/

    It is the duty of barristers to be independent and free from any influence, especially such as may arise from their personal interests or external pressure, in the discharge of their professional duties as barristers.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,696 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I could be wrong but I am assume that should a client come up that Barristers can ask not to be assigned to that client

    No, you can't. That's the whole point of the cab rank rule.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,696 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I'd imagine you are not alone

    Up until the smearing started last weekend I maintained that either candidate would make an exceptional president. After seeing the this behaviour going on by HH and FG over the weekend that opinion has very much changed.

    Opening twitter/X this morning there's a very clear and orchestrated mission to spread misinformation with the intent to bring Connolly down.

    I'm so sickened by this childish carry on that I'll be giving Heather Humphries my 3rd preference on Friday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,561 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    From what I see CC is pretty certain to win baring some last minute revelation. The race in general has become more boring and predictable since Gavin stepped back. I'm not going to waste my time watching the final 'debate'.

    I will vote on Friday not with any enthusiasm just out of a sense of democratic duty.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,294 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I'm so sickened by this childish carry on that I'll be giving Heather Humphries my 3rd preference on Friday

    If you don't want her then don't vote for her???

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭JohnnyChimpo


    Hard to see what evidence would ever lead someone to conclude that Humpreys would make an "exceptional" President. I doubt even the vast majority of people who will vote for her would actually believe that.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,294 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    It has been the worst campaign that I can recall in decades and we're being offered three terrible candidates (one of whom isn't really running but is still on the ballot).
    That said, I'm glad the rabble of independents who were chasing the last few stray votes weren't able to stand either.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,696 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Given the role involved, to be an exceptional head of state you have to bear in mind the required qualities needed aren't that high

    Those are to be able to sign her name on legislation, shake hands with dignitaries and isn't a complete tool

    Last weekend one of those 3 qualities was shown to not be in Heather Humphries' repertoire



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,696 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


     I'm glad the rabble of independents who were chasing the last few stray votes weren't able to stand either.

    +1



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I think the left/right battle and what it means for the future to be thoroughly fascinating to be honest.

    To see the parties that power has swapped between for the last 100 years in total disarray and sinking to smears because the left has aligned and stayed aligned is also fascinating.
    Loathe to use the cliché of 'watershed moment' but it is as close as a Presidential campaign has ever got IMO

    There are all sorts of implications for the future here, win or lose, for both sides.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,275 ✭✭✭ForestFire


    Well, a 3rd preference is not going to do anything; it cannot get to her?

    But you're right, it's not really needed, as a 1st only, or a 1st and 2nd, is all that is really needed in a 3 "foxhunt" race!!.😊

    (But I guess it's better safe than sorry and just leave her blank, to be sure to be sure)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭liamtech


    I cant disagree here. I suspect that, aside from Fine Gael die-hards, most Humphreys supporters are voting for her, in opposition to Connolly. Nothing that HH has said or done would indicate that she would make a ground-breaking president.

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,633 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I am fairly sure from again TV and another series call Silk that the while there was a cab rank rule that the barrister could say they didn't want to pick up a criminal case and to pass it to someone else in the rank. Obviously TV drama/comedy is not a great reference point, and I assume that Irish practice is slight different to that of the English practice.

    It would be interesting to know if a there have been times that a particular Barrister was requested by the client or that a Barrister asked that they would only take on a case should there be no one else in the rank available to take the case.

    Again reference to Taxi I am fairly sure they all went to Danny DeVito to ask not to take certain customers, or he'd give out bad jobs to the people he didn't like.

    TV is very educational at the end of the day :)

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 332 ✭✭Hillmanhunter1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,633 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Google AI overview

    Yes, a barrister in Ireland can ask not to be assigned to a case, particularly in situations involving a conflict of interest, where they lack the necessary expertise, where the fee is inadequate, or when they are already overcommitted. While the "cab-rank rule" generally requires barristers to accept instructions within their field, this rule has exceptions, such as those involving conflict of interest, other professional commitments, or "other special circumstances".   Reasons a barrister can refuse a case

    Conflict of interest: A barrister must refuse instructions if their ability to act independently and impartially is compromised, such as if they have a personal relationship with the opposing party. 

    Lack of expertise: A barrister must be satisfied they have the required knowledge and competence to handle the case. They are not obliged to accept instructions if they are not properly qualified. 

    Inadequate fee: If the fee is not considered "proper" or the barrister has not had a reasonable opportunity to consider the fee in light of the work required, they may refuse the brief. They must promptly inform the solicitor if they do so. 

    Overcommitment: A barrister cannot accept more work than they can give adequate attention to within a reasonable time. 

    Other special circumstances: There are other situations that may justify refusing a case, which can include personal circumstances that make it difficult to perform the required services. 

    How the refusal works

    A barrister must inform the instructing solicitor of any conflict of interest or other circumstances that would prevent them from acting. 

    In cases involving a client in custody, a barrister cannot withdraw from the case without first obtaining permission from the court. 

    Refusal cannot be based on discriminatory grounds, such as race, color, or gender. 

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    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    FFS, it is a 'duty' known as The Cab Rank Rule'.
    I.E. There is no 'rule'. It is seen as a 'duty'.

    A duty CC took seriously as she has done in any job she has done.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 332 ✭✭Hillmanhunter1


    No, the rulebook specifies what the duties of barristers are - there is no duty described that is analogous to the cab rank rule as it might have applied to Connolly. See for yourself:

    https://www.lawlibrary.ie/about/governance/code-of-conduct/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,467 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    God I can't wait for this election to be over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,376 ✭✭✭golfball37


    It’s been over as a contest for at least 2 weeks. I don’t understand the continuing back and forth tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Subject to these Rules, Barristers as members of the Law Library and as members of an independent referral bar hold themselves out as willing and obliged to appear in Court on behalf of any client on the instructions of a solicitor and to give legal advice and other legal services to clients.

    Couple that with the clarifications of the Bar Council in regard to Jim O'Callaghan (previously smeared by FG) and Catherine Connolly (currently being smeared by FG, the party of 'Law and Order')



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,633 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Also, I do think the Connolly even if being able to refuse a client would have had to at some point have represented someone she didn't agree with, so as I say your really unwilling to pick up the mud that you are trying to throw.

    Now if you could prove she specialized in these cases, then you might have a point.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 207 ✭✭tradfan1


    Heather Humphreys served as Minister for Justice for a time and yet does not appear to know how Barristers operate. Also, equating the role of Manager of a Credit Union with that of a Barrister who represents the banks is ridiculous in my opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 332 ✭✭Hillmanhunter1


    You have quoted a self-serving press release, not a rule.

    Because there is no such rule/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 332 ✭✭Hillmanhunter1




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,818 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    100 percent.

    While I've been certain the CC would win this from the start, based on her competition and the current politican environment one would have hoped there would have been some form of a contest.

    While I wouldn't necessarily have agreed with the concept that "we don't have someone to vote for that represents us" notion, I do agree that people should have more options and at least have the option to vote for someone that they feel can/does represent them. The current system we have that is required to get on the ballot has been abused significantly by the FF/FG parties in this presidential election (and possibly more also). The rise of social media/youtube and non terrestrial media has enabled a light to be better shone on this I believe.

    Now, don't get me wrong, I wouldn't personally have voted for many of the candidates that were trying to get on the ballot, but I do see that they should really have gotten an opportunity to run and be on the ballot paper, if only for a more realistic spread of candidates maybe more representative of Irish society and giving those that feel there was no one on the ballot that represented them to feel they had a voice. Some level of citizen signatures I believe should be looked at for 7 years time.



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