Northern Ireland 2125?

Are you going to tell us what was 'interesting'?

A non elected mouthpiece for bigotry (Bryson) dictating DUP direction into a cul de sac where they ultimately lose heavily again?

Far be it for me to defend Bryson, but if you think a person like Bryson can dictate or change the direction of the biggest unionist party in N.I.,then he must have a lot of support behind him on the ground. 

If he does, it won't be the first time his 'advice' has seen the DUP back themselves into a cul de sac.

His lawfare advice will only see bi-lingual democratically agreed legislation delayed rather than stopped.

So carry on 'advising' Jamie.

😁😁 Just over a week ago yourself and blanch were having this conversation about somebody else's family connections.

FrancisMcM answers:

I was aware of that thanks. That is why in my head I wonder who would be the more bigoted. Would either or both both have had sympathies with paramilitaries on their own sides during the troubles? During the troubles, would Taylor have been as pleased with some loyalist murders as Brolly would have been with republican murders? Given that the UUP distanced themselves more from paramilitaries than SF did, I can guess at an answer.

The kindest thing I can say about both is that both dislike "the other side".

Heather Humphreys has support across the political and religious spectrum in Cavan-Monaghan and has risen to the top of Irish politics like many of her religion.
She was asked by the Irish edition of an English newspaper about her connection to the OO and was evasive in her answers.

The OO is a sectarian organisation and connection to it is relevant because of that.

The OO is NOT a church.

And yes, Catherine Connolly was asked about her beliefs in a RTE interview.

… and loyalty to the Crown and rejection of Irish and the Irish State.

“The Institution is composed of Protestants … the Order also professes a loyalty to ‘The Protestant Crown’ and ‘The Protestant Faith’.”

I am not going to get into a list of their sectarian attacks throughout their history, they are well documented for you to research yourself.

I'd suggest you read and absorb this. But know you probably won't.

Church of Ireland General Synod Standing Committee Sub–Committee on Sectarianism Report 1999 - Church of Ireland - A Member of the Anglican Communion

I have zero time for the Catholic Church(not comparable to the OO, even remotely) and would not have anyone in Opus Dei or the KoC as president either.

I do not hold Humphreys ancestors against her and never did. An Irish edition of an English newspaper pursued her on her own history with the OO and she was evasive in her answers. People are free to make of that what they wish, same as they are free to make of the other candidate's answers, what they wish.

The media headlines are not about smears against Humphreys but smears against Connolly.

One is a religion and one is NOT a religion.

Jesus H.

That poster is more likely coming from the very anti animal cruelty people who are active in this campaign.

What SF volunteer?

If you google the OO, it says "Yes, the Orange Order is a religious organization that is specifically a Protestant fraternal society, not a religion itself. .

And a society/organisation a religion (CoI) has distanced/separated itself from because of it's sectarianism.

However, the Orange Order in its requirements, adopts an anti–Roman Catholic stance. An Orangeman:

“… should strenuously oppose the fatal errors and doctrines of the Church of Rome, and scrupulously avoid countenancing (by his presence or otherwise) any act or ceremony of Popish worship; he should by all lawful means, resist the ascendancy of that Church, its encroachments and the extension of its power, ever abstaining from all uncharitable words, actions or sentiments, towards his Roman Catholic brethren…”

We will be stating below that, while these views were current in past centuries, they have been superseded in the late twentieth century in many churches, including the Church of Ireland, by a spirit of mutual respect, and the acceptance of denominational integrity.

Because of the presence of the Orange Order at Drumcree Parish Church it is often thought that the Church of Ireland supports the range of issues surrounding the annual Orange Order church parade to Drumcree Parish Church on the Sunday before July 12. The reality is quite different.

Attendance at that service involves an Orange Order church parade to and from the Parish Church. Every year since 1995, partly as a result of opposition to them from the residents of the Garvaghy Road, the parades from the church service resulted in civil disturbance and violence. By facilitating the attendance of the Orange Lodges of the Portadown District at the church service, the Church of Ireland is perceived by many to be accommodating, in a degree, to the violence which occurred subsequently; it is argued that if the parade from the church service had not taken place, there might not have been the circumstances for civil disorder. In 1998 the Orange Order was unable to prevent civil disorder following the service of worship in Drumcree Parish Church.

We deeply regret that the Church of Ireland should have been in any way identified with the civil disturbance and we confess that in the circumstances, regret is insufficient, and must be combined with resolute remedial action. The commitment and ethos of the Church of Ireland are to “promote tolerance, dialogue, co–operation and mutual respect between the churches and in society” (General Synod Motion 1997). Not to do so is to promote sectarianism.

It has become a matter of deep shame that an act of worship should be followed by displays of hostility, hatred and lawlessness.

*You said a SF supporter was seen putting up that poster. You can either back that up or it is just yet another smear.

So you cannot explain any difference between the Orange Order and the Catholic Church. One prevents Catholics from joining - unless they convert - and the other prevents Protestants from joining - unless they convert.

I never said SF put up the posters like below. Just because someone associated with SF, an ordinary volunteer at grass roots level known to have helped SF in the past during canvassing. putting up posters etc, was spotted in a group of people putting up one of the posters does not mean much, as he could have been helping in a personal capacity this time around. You do not stop the car and take photos of such people.

You seem to think such posters are " more likely coming from the very anti animal cruelty people who are active in this campaign.". What makes you think that? Are anti-animal cruelty people well fundred / have they a track record of putting up lots of colourful, expensive posters? Humphreys has said she has never gone fox hunting so are they really that upset with her?

The C of I was never joined with the OO afaik : yes, it distances itself from the OO, but so what. Most churches distances themselves from other churches / political movements / political organizations, whatever.

You claimed the OO is a sectarian organization. Yet you think SF with its military wing the pIRA was never sectarian.

Blanch was correct when he said " There is no doubt that elements of the Orange Order are sectarian, just as there are members of Sinn Fein who have engaged in sectarian activities. I wouldn't let either organisation run this country, but I wouldn't ban membership or necessarily castigate every member of those organisations.

We know there are decent people like HH whose family was in the OO, I assume there are also decent people in SF."

The C of I was never joined with the OO afaik : yes, it distances itself from the OO, but so what.

It means quite a bit. The CoI thinks the OO is behaving in a sectarian fashion and wants nothing to do with it. As right thinking people should do.

Jamie endorsing vandalism that suits his bigotry is more 'typical' than it is 'interesting' TBH.