Israel/Palestine Thread

Ah, not happy with the exposure people are getting to the endless lies from Israel to hide their atrocities, so you say something exactly opposite to the truth. Are the 90,000 dead Palestinians lies?

It's all on video, the cop repeatedly tells him that wearing the Star of David on the outside can be seen as provocative. Watch the CCTV video, stop believing the lies.

The peace agreement favours Hamas and is a bad one for Israel - Netanyahu was practically frogmarched by Trump into agreeing to it. Why on earth would Hamas be the ones trying to get the war going again? It was Netanyahu and his far right cabinet who wanted to keep the conflict going for months longer.

The only peace Hamas wants is that where Israel is obliterated. And even that won't be enough, they are warmongering terrorists, what do you think, they will just become peaceful working people?

So this peace will only last as long as it's backed by US military power.

Simply because they can't do anything else. They can't ask for more money from the all over the world jihadi financing network if they don't make any jihad.

No they aren't going to simply because they are unable, but not for lack of wanting. And it's not that Hasbro thing I actually met people from both sides, you have no idea how much they hate each other. There will never be true peace, the only peace possible will be peace through superior firepower and that's why if you actually want peace you should support Israel and US.

Yes, he approached the counter protest several times with it on show, clearly provocative behaviour that he was rightly arrested for.

Well it’s nice to see that you’re so convinced that Israel doesn’t ever do anything illegal, and will forcibly remove any of its citizens that do. Not sure what you’re complaining about then, but however.

As for how difficult it is to make rudimentary bombs, well back in my A Level days, we had a different A Level chemistry syllabus to anywhere else in the UK, because we were not allowed to have access to, or even learn about, certain common reagents that could be used to make bombs from agricultural fertilisers and other everyday products. Because it’s actually pretty easy to make bombs. Not good ones - often very dodgy ones, but effective all the same.

As an aside, I gather the IRA were actually pretty good at it. I saw an ex bomb disposals guy on TV recently saying that it was far more dangerous to disarm more recent terror devices because the IRA had “build standards” for their bombs so you knew which colour of wire led to the detonator etc., whereas the new guys are complete cowboys. The approving tone was slightly amusing I thought. But that’s why Raytheon don’t want or need such tips. They can’t afford to build rockets with a 30% premature destruction rate.

So, yeah. It takes a little more than hosepipes and pitchforks to make bombs, but not that much more. But you’re right of course that the smaller stuff was also looted, but who knows whether that was reused or just burned for the hell of it.

“The looters took their time to dismantle the greenhouses and to uproot entire greenhouses and carry them away,” said Amid al-Masri, head of the Palestine Economic Development Company’s (PEDC) greenhouse project. 

The Palestinian Authority project was set up with the help of private donors who paid $13 million to Jewish settlers to leave their greenhouses intact after the withdrawal.

The fact is that the Israelis left material that could have been used to maintain the level of production they were achieving, with millions of dollars worth of exports annually of flowers and fruit. And the Palestinians chose instead to destroy or abandon most of that and live off foreign aid while they turned Gaza into a military camp from which to do the only thing that seems to interest them, namely attack the Jews. Oh sorry, I meant resist the oppressors.

Because Gaza’s economy improved massively in the years that Israeli settlers were there, yet despite the literally trillions poured into it since then in international aid… well, if it was really an open air prison camp pre 2023, questions need to be asked as to what has happened to all the aid? Nearly $8 bn from the US and the EU in 2008-2010 alone. What would the Jews have done with those $8 bn handed out every two or three years? Gaza could have been the Mediterranean breadbasket by now, as well as a tourist hub for wealthy Saudis.

This is a good point, really.

The Arab world, and in particular the Gulf States, want to start trading with Israel.
The Gulf states have capital, oil and money, and the Israeli's have technologies and Western companies situated on site.
Both are keen to work together, trade together and build a better region.

Both see Hamas as a relic, only interested in war and trying to engage in war, to the detriment of its own people.

This is why Hamas needs to go, so a new administration can run Gaza to the actual betterment of its people. Where money can go to work in building new factories or schools, or tech hubs. Not tunnels, rockets and bombs.

Yeah so this is why you’re not a good faith debater. If you were, you wouldn’t still be spreading Hamas propaganda like this. Or this:

This one first: why do you replace Netanyahu by “Israel” yet refuse to admit that Hamas seem to be more representative of Gazan public opinion than Netanyahu is of Israeli opinion. You’re well aware that he is desperate to avoid an election because he is almost certain to lose, and lose heavily, yet you present evidence and criticism against Netanyahu often BY OTHER ISRAELIS to claim that ISRAEL wants whatever Netanyahu wants. Why do you do that?

The exploitation of the tragic death of Hind Rajab is another that’s typical of you. You cannot surely still be unaware that the events that led to her death are significantly different to the simplistic version of murderous IDF soldiers deliberately killing a child. Yet you continue with what is basically just Hamas propaganda.

Why do you do that, if you don’t support Hamas?

That gave me a laugh. The mask slipped when you mentioned Jews rather than Israelis.

The country has been obliterated, and you think the priority of homeless displaced people is growing flowers over shelter and survival?

And to think the Israelis would ever allow Gaza to flourish into a tourist hub for wealthy Saudis is farcical (why would wealthy Saudis even want go to Gaza ffs 😂)

Get a grip lad.

Israel heavily restricted both what could be imported and what could be exported post the 2005 withdrawal.
If you can’t import certain “dual use” items like fertilizer or seeds and can’t export certain produce like flowers, naturally production will collapse.

Rockets were being fired into Israel before they withdrew their illegal settlements.

The blockade was tightened after Hamas won elections described by Jimmy Carter, who was one of many independent observers, as the most democratic the Middle East had seen.

They hadn’t gone away you know.