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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,960 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    Bit like CC has she said anything concrete yet ? Let's be honest eat won't stop the left eating itself.

    My weather

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,467 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    She's winning in the polls and it's hers to lose. So if you're advising her, tell her to do nothing different. But Humphrey's campaign has been anemic...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,412 ✭✭✭corkie


    I have made posts on here predicting a turnout of 40% or lower.

    But we need a good turnout for CC to definitely win (or spoiled votes option) especially from young people and student population.

    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~ George Santayana
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,746 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    It is true that the cab-bank rule requires a barrister to take a case, unless the following apply:

    • - They lack the necessary expertise.
    • - There is a conflict of interest.
    • - They are unavailable due to prior commitments.
    • - The fee offered is not appropriate.

    9.-Code-of-Conduct-Amended-by-AGM-22.7.24-Updated.pdf

    Even so, it is legitimate for the HH campaign to ask CC to reveal - subject to the rules - which banks she represented.

    I hope some of the homeowners will come forward and reveal this.

    There is more I am wondering about, but since I have to do some research first, I will refrain for now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,094 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Connolly's position on the EU is relevent

    Connolly’s position on the EU is relevant. There’s nothing wrong with discussing a candidate’s approach to the EU, but the media continually echo the language of FF and FG by framing Connolly as “anti-Europe” or “anti-EU.” As I’ve said before, one can strongly oppose the Merkel/Sarkozy/Von der Leyen vision of the EU and still be entirely pro-European. The GP voted along the same lines as CC on many EU treaties, HH and her party had no problem having them in government.

    Likewise, her judgement over the Eirigi fiasco, and how she handled this topic in the election, relates to her judgement, and is therefore relevant. We can and should discuss it, and therefore IMHO, it is also fair game, and not a smear.

    No it's not - I've repeatedly asked the question of people like you on this matter and have yet to get an answer - when is someone suitable for rehabilitation, is it after release, does rehab start a day into their sentence, a week, a month, a year? If someone is deemed 'safe' enough to be released without specific restrictions on employment for example who's to say where they work?

    But i dont think the above can be referred to as smears, and there are other examples i could offer.

    I'm fairly sure (though open to correction) that I haven't mentioned the word 'smear' - my issue isn’t with criticism, but with media framing. The pattern is clear—it’s the anti-Corbyn playbook all over again: label, isolate, and delegitimise.

    With five days to go, it looks like Connolly may withstand this agenda-driven, often dishonest media campaign and become the next President of Ireland. If that happens, it will be even more remarkable given the coalition of right-wing FG types, pro-NATO academics, journalists, and other commentators arranged against her, their outrage will be a joy to behold!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,467 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    There are plenty of things to attack Connolly on (eg the post above re her Brexit views), but trying to bring up her work as a barrister is not the right thing to target. She was doing her job, not making political decisions…

    Whoever is campaign managing Humphreys is doing a woeful job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,864 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    They are also reminding the public that she was a barrister. A very good fit for president. Fine Gael could be doing a lot of long term damage as a result of their dirty politics and smear campaign. Who is the campaign manager?

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,741 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    No it's not - I've repeatedly asked the question of people like you on this matter and have yet to get an answer - when is someone suitable for rehabilitation, is it after release, does rehab start a day into their sentence, a week, a month, a year? If someone is deemed 'safe' enough to be released without specific restrictions on employment for example who's to say where they work?

    This completely skirts the core problem, which is that everyone and their mother knows that the woman in question was never going to get security clearance to work in Leinster House at that point in time. Connolly is not an idiot and clearly knew this as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,438 ✭✭✭almostover


    I have vocally opposed CC's credentials for president on here but I agree with this point. She was obligated to take those cases on in her work as a barrister.

    However, subsequent to this she spoke several times in the Dáil calling for a moratorium on home repossessions. Therefore, it is a legitimate line of questioning for her.

    I'd admire her greatly if she came out and stated that she morally disagrees with the repossessions of family homes but in her work as a barrister she had to put personal principles aside to serve the justice system in which she worked.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,467 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    This is mortifying from fine gael though... It's both poor quality and poor taste. And unlikely to shift the needle even a smidge.

    Fianna Fail had a nightmare in picking the wrong candidate, but fine gael are showing, yet again, that they are hopeless at electoral campaigning...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    If she was in favour of Brexit, why would she not be in favour of Ireland leaving the EU? She has already insulted the Germans etc.

    I am sure Connolly liked the foreign banks though when they were paying her to evict Irish people from their homes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Is her husband the same Brian McEnenry who was a director of NAMA?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Connolly and the EU.

    Catherine Connolly has a long history of demonstrating animosity toward the EU. She has campaigned against all previous European Treaty referendums. And she has stated numerous times that the EU is, as she puts it, moving down a more militarized path. She has criticized the EU and member states for rolling in behind Ukraine, going as far as to compare this situation to the 1930s. CC has apportioned particular blame to Germany on this point. She has accused UvdL of having stood shoulder to shoulder with war criminals (which is a smear btw). Previously she has supported, and received support from, elements of the Eurosceptic left, including Daly, Wallace et al. Now you have correctly stated that supporting a different power structure in the EU parliament is not in itself, hints of Euro-scepticism. But the groups who she supports, and has received support from, are not seeking to attain power in the European parliament. They are looking to dismantle whole strands of European power, and some within the bloc would seek to dismantle the body altogether.

    The above facts are, at the very least, grounds to argue that Connolly will be the most Eurosceptic president that we have ever had, assuming she is elected. This is not a smear, its a simple analysis of her positioning on Europe since she entered public life. You are free to disagree with the analysis, and offer your own take on the above facts. But you cannot credibly claim that such analyses are an attempt to smear, or erroneously frame Connolly’s position on Europe.

    The Eirigi Fiasco

    Connolly appointed the lady to a role in Leinster house. She has more or less claimed that she knew the ladies history, and therefore had to be aware of her full association with Eirigi. She was also likely aware of the fact that the lady has taken part in a mock execution of Queen Elizabeth II. Now you ask a direct question here:

    “when is someone suitable for rehabilitation”

    I’ll take the topic of rehabilitation for a moment and say that I agree. People are entitled to a second chance, and I have never said otherwise. But there is a judgement call to be made, as to whether someone with this lady’s background should ever receive a position in Leinster House. No one is suggesting that this lady should never be employed again, as that would be outrageous. What can logically be suggested is that her background would probably rule out an appointment to Leinster house. She was a member of a political party which refused to recognise the legitimacy of the Irish State, yet Connolly felt it no harm to place her in the Government building of that very same state? We are entitled to question her judgement on this, as it is relevant to her presidential candidacy. The story has morphed several times; the lady failed a back ground check, subtly shifted to her resigning before such a background check could take place, and for no less than 6 months we are told.

    This is a legitimate story, and we are entitled to discuss it, and have it covered by the media. Referring to this as a smear, or that it has been poorly ‘framed’ is nothing more than an ultra partisan smoke screen.

    Your final paragraph.

    "I'm fairly sure (though open to correction) that I haven't mentioned the word 'smear' - my issue isn’t with criticism, but with media framing. The pattern is clear—it’s the anti-Corbyn playbook all over again: label, isolate, and delegitimise.

    With five days to go, it looks like Connolly may withstand this agenda-driven, often dishonest media campaign and become the next President of Ireland. If that happens, it will be even more remarkable given the coalition of right-wing FG types, pro-NATO academics, journalists, and other commentators arranged against her, their outrage will be a joy to behold!"

    Its relevant to state that I have acknowledged that the current ‘Bank Repossession’ story is a smear, thereby accepting that the election cycle is taking a nasty turn. What I have also done is highlight that earlier stories, including the Eirgi and Anti-EU topics are not in the same category; they are legitimate lines of inquiry that the media was correct to have pursued. Whether or not you have used the word smear or not, on this thread, is irrelevant. The accusation has been used multiple times and in many different ways – you have stated that the topics are being ‘framed’ incorrectly; Its pure semantics, Connolly supporters have claimed for weeks that their candidate is being smeared. And until the Bank Repossession story surfaced, the accusation was false. The media always 'do a number' on Presidential Candidates; you can complain about framing, but the candidate tends to set the agenda. CC has refused to budge on her positions, which kept open the Eirigi story, and she repeats her anti European/German rhetoric when ever Foreign Policy is discussed. She has framed her own candidacy in this way, and the media is doing what the media has always done. They are following the story.

    We can agree to disagree if you wish – iv already conceded that barring a last minute disaster, Connolly will likely win the election. Iv made my thoughts clear, as have you.

    Post edited by liamtech on

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    If you are a councillor advocating for the homeless in 2015, there is a conflict of interest in representing banks repossessing homes. Unless money means more, and you can wave away the conflict of interest.

    I wouldn’t be able to compromise myself like that, but I am not Catherine Connolly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    Is it true Connolly acted for Pepper, a vulture fund of Bank of Scotland, evicting an Irish family who fell on hard times?

    Barristers often turn down certain work, citing an exemption, saying they are too busy, or conflict of interest or whatever other reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    That hasn’t been confirmed yet as Connolly is avoiding all questions on the issue by cancelling media appearances. It certainly looks like she is trying to hide something, whether it is this issue or the vetting issue, it isn’t clear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,781 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    So hopeless we've been in government four successive times for 15 years, and will be for 19 years by the end of this Dáil?

    Ok.....

    For the avoidance of doubt, we will now do ANYTHING in the next 4 days to destroy Connolly's candidacy and campaign. But not a word of it will be a lie. Just very inconvenient truths for Mz Connolly.

    And the greatest favour the Connolly campaign can do us, is to embrace the lead she apparently has, and contribute to a low turnout, because her student politics level voters assume she is home and hosed.

    This contest is far from over boys and girls.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,094 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Ah, look over there it's CC...what about those kids in hotels, Blanch....you're simmering frustration is of course hypocritical but it's truly a joy to behold!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,094 ✭✭✭MFPM


    It might 'skirt' the issue you and the Irish Times have but it's very much the issue and once more you run away from it...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,787 ✭✭✭pureza


    Exposing champagne socialism is all well and good but actually no good when your opponent is uhm uhm uhm I have 4 cats and 2 dogs hard to listen to Heather Humphreys

    Which leads me on to repeat,the government parties election direction incompetence and top down instructions on who to vote for lost them this election to a nice old lady,albeit good at keepy uppy,whose opinions do not reflect what Irish people seem to want in government when at the ballot box at general election times



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,467 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    I didn't question whether or not FG have been in government. I pointed out they are bad at campaigns. Ignoring 2011 because of the obvious circumstances, have they had any good election campaign in the last couple of decades?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,991 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Could it be that Humphreys biggest problem and Connollys biggest advantage is just FG?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,787 ✭✭✭pureza


    Fine Gaels biggest problem is Heather in this election and Harris (popular on the ground probably in their own constituency’s) not the other way round I think

    People’s desire for a steady ship and their pockets in the centre is the only thing that keeps them in power



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,991 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Agreed. They're just a bit obnoxious in the way they handle things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,790 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Why do I sense that FG will desperately throw the kitchen sink at Connolly this week?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,991 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Connolly is very clever. She has dodged the tough questions so far and FG are seeing their candidate showing as mediocre.

    In truth maybe people should hear if Connolly represented vulture funds and banks, but for it to stick that she wasn't doing anything only her job it needs personalisation. So unless someone with a hard luck story about their repossession comes forward and humanises it with Connolly shown as the bad guy it probably won't gain much traction. But I wouldn't be surprised if some one or two turned up. FG would be capable of that I think.

    Connolly certainly can't state the answers to that question I would imagine because of client confidentiality, so if FG are to get it out there as anything other than her doing her job, they need a whistle-blower.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,741 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I've run away from nothing. Defenders of Connolly's poor judgement like to cast rehabilitation as a binary thing when it is anything but. It is an ongoing process and one that people demonstrate over the course of years, not days. It is a process that doesn't wipe the slate clean the day you walk out (early) from prison.

    Trying to make rehabilitation "very much the issue" is just deflection. The issue, as it has been from day one, is that she signed someone in every day for 6 months who she knew full well was never going to pass vetting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,578 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    It seems that is very much FFG's plan......the downside being wheeling out McEntee and calling Micheal in so soon after the Gavin debacle is more likely to push anyone not cheerleading FFG to look elsewhere.....and theres only one other candidate.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    if Connolly represented 

    There is no 'if's' Connolly did her job as all barristers do and represented all sides as cases came in.

     with Connolly shown as the bad guy

    When people lose their homes or a case, do they 'blame' the barrister or solicitor, or the people who put them in the situation or created the circumstances for their situation?

    Humphreys goes down this line in the debate she is bouncing a ball in front of a woman skillful enough to turn the focus on why people found themselves in court. She should heed the warnings, it's already happening on SM, read the comments under FG's sleazy attack video.



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