Israel/Palestine Thread

You have it your way. Nobody is buying your shite.

Lastly, when and how do you think the Gazans were going to rock up to the local polling station and cast their vote?

Not only that, HAMAS won't even exist as an entity to vote for if and when such a vote takes place. So the whole point is completely moot, despite the desperate effort to put a certain slant on it.

Israel have voted in a war criminal so both sides have voted in despicable characters. Hamas should go but be interesting to see who the israelis vote in next and if they will continue to colonise the West Bank.

He was secretary-general for 4 years. Makes his opinions on MSF a lot more qualified than yours.

Absolutely, without a doubt.

But do you not see the inherent fallacy in your statement above? I'm not the one narcissistically proposing that my opinion matters more than virtually all the experts?

Your argument shouldn't be whether this guy knows more than me, it goes without saying. It's whether he knows more than the current people running MSF, and all those others who have told us what is going on in Gaza. I would doubt that they agree with him, given they have declared this as genocide months ago and have not retracted, and are still working on the ground to get aid to starving civilians.

I just found it odd that a former SG would say this publicly, go against his former institution and virtually all other institutions who are unanimous in calling this what it is.

And when I read articles on him/ opinion pieces that he wrote/ comments he made/ the fact he set up what is seen as a right wing, anti immigration party in Belgium, it provided me with context as to why he might do that. Make of it what you will.

But please, do take your own advice on listening to experts, it will serve you well.

This is not the first time that Israel has been found to be harvesting organs from Palestinians ‘the most moral army in the world’

Lol no she hasn't turned "pro palestinian"

Probably the main reason it would have different numbers is the fact that hamas is currently executing anyone who is against them.

That’s good, she is better shilling for Israel, another nail in their coffin 🤣

My 'analysis', was cutting and pasting factual statements.

You have no rebuttal to those facts.

43% of Palestinians would vote for Hamas tomorrow if given the chance.

I'm poiniting out that 50% of polled Palestininas still think Oct 7th was great craic.

And that given an opportunity to vote the crowd responsible for it back in, roughly 43% of them would do so in a heartbeat.

You can make of that what you will, but them's the facts.

I think if you are going to take what he said at face value (or your understanding of what he said), you would need to ascertain if this is the first time MSF has declared something as a genocide, or consistent with genocide, or as warcrimes and ethnic cleansing before court rulings.

And indeed they did - in June 1994 (look up who was SG at the time!), MSF publicly broke humanitarian neutrality and called for international military intervention in Rwanda at the UN, explicitly describing the killings as “genocide.” It was not ruled as such until 1998, vindicating their claim. So there is a precedent for it . I haven't checked others, but I'm sure there are more. So to me this isn't indicative of them being "Hamas", it is something they do and have done when a clear situation presented itself, and I would very much doubt you would be claiming them all as Tutsis in the 90s.

You would need to provide proper proof, rather than made up narratives, as to why they are all Hamas, and no posting some random poll which had nothing to do with humanitarian organizations is just more baseless nonsense tbh. I'm surprised you would put it forward as an argument.

And do you seriously think it irrelevant that since that person left MSF he became an outspoken right wing politician who has both targeted Muslims and pushed narratives consistent with Israeli government propaganda? I have provided links. Maybe you don't find his language on Muslims shocking, or his commentary about how Islamophobia is made up by Iranian mullahs - I don't even think Nigel Farage would claim that, but I do.

But fine, if you want to use him as the neutral and sole arbiter of how all these humanitarian /aid/ legal organisations are really all antisemetic, go for it. I certainly wouldn't agree with you, but if objective reality of the situation won't sway you I doubt my opinion will.