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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,636 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Which of the 238 journalists executed in Gaza by Israel are spineless?

    And how about the IDF lads dressed as doctors executing the wounded?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,636 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    You should try a bit of decency yourself - throwing insulting posts around and being uncivil tends not to work.

    If you're asked a question, it's normal decency to answer it - especially when posters have answered yours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,636 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Very apt quote for the result of Israel funding Hamas for the last 20 years and building tunnels in Gaza.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,636 ✭✭✭dmcdona




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,041 ✭✭✭circadian


    Yeah good question. Must be the same reason no other independent bodies or journalists have been allowed into Gaza.

    Why would that be?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,119 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    A strange move given Israel doesn’t officially acknowledge the Armenian Genocide.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,719 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    You seem to be happier with the idea that Israel shouldn't have targeted terrorists because they were set up in hospitals, schools and people's kitchens.

    You do realise no one is going to not target a civilian location and allow the embedded enemy continue targeting it's people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,719 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    I'll answer that one for you

    Ideally none but the reality is Hamas have embedded themselves in civilian environments and no opposing army is going to not target those areas. But instead of blaming Hamas on using human shields, it's easier to blame Israel for fighting a war



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,719 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    It's a Muslim country, I'd expect nothing else



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,636 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    How about the 15 medics executed by the IDF - they were buried in the sand, with the vehicles. IDF maintained they were terrorists.

    Until oh Lordy, video was found showing it was extrajudicial executions.

    IDF have consistently lied about human shields - including using them themselves.

    IDF even killed its own hostages 3 of them, stripped to the waist and shouting "surrender" in Hebrew. IDF executed 2 of them immediately. The third ran away but they executed him when he came back.

    And it took a Merkava Battle tank with a crew of four to shred a little girl in a car with her dead relatives. They also shredded the two medics who came to save her.

    Israel is a terrorist Genocidal State and World Pariah.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,119 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,132 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Failing to acknowledge the Armenian genocide is a controversial matter within Israel. These days there is another country involved in this calculation, Azerbaijan, which is an ally of Israel against Iran and of course Armenia’s arch enemy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    I'm not happy with any idea, I don't see any proof for what you and the IDF are saying. There never is any provided.

    If there is such a vast impenetrable tunnel network in Gaza, why are Hamas hanging around vulnerable schools and buildings? There have been dozens and dozens of instances im aware of, even Christian churches that were blown up in Gaza, where there was absolutely no proof of combatants.

    Also, almost every building, school, library, mosque, farm, church, hospital- thousands and thousands of buildings destroyed, tens of thousands of homes and apartments, whole cities and towns destroyed, and only 13-20k Hamas fighters killed?

    It doesn't make any sense. If every Hamas fighter was not in tunnels and individually in each building, there wouldn't be this level of destruction, and there were would be far more combatants killed.

    Not to mention it is a warcrime to overwhelmingly kill civilians to get a combatant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    You didn't answer it.

    Is there an upper limit to what you would accept/support?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,719 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    Tell me about any war were these types of things haven't happened. Not saying it's right but it happens.

    As for world pariah...only in your head



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,719 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    Is there an upper limit to how many should be killed in war.

    History is littered with civilians being killed. The Japanese nuclear bombs far exceeded what's happening in Gaza. There's no doubt that civilians were killed disproportionately to military. Was it justified? Some will say it was, others will say no. Irrespective of opinion countries are still building nuclear weapons, justifying their existence and using them as a threat to the world. I don't think wars as black and white as some want to portray it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,636 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Tell me what wars where it did happen?

    Why do you think Israel told IDF soldiers to delete their social media accounts before they went abroad? Simple - the IDF videoed their war crimes and Israel was afraid they'd be arrested. Some were.

    Certainly, the US agrees that on the world stage, Israel is a busted flush. Why do you think all those nations recently recognised The State of Palestine?

    World Pariah for sure - the calls for banning Israel from international sports and other events like Eurovision are deafening. As posted, Israel have already been banned from some events. Just like Russia are banned because of their war crimes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,719 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    Where is the state of Palestine?

    No one I've asked has been able to tell me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,636 ✭✭✭dmcdona




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,913 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    if the IDF go in to finish off hamas they will lose because their ground forces are rubbish when it comes to fighting.

    all they can do is bomb the place into oblivian as they have been doing and ultimately not really get rid of hamas but kill mostly civilians.

    as in business as usual.

    none of the groups whether it be hamas or hezbala can disarm while israel is a genocidal racist apartheid state who is obsessed with religious dogma.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,119 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    When you say you don’t think wars are black and white, do you accept that there is international law surrounding the conduct of war. There are rules about what is and what is not permissible.
    For example collective punishment is prohibited under the 1949 Geneva convention and subsequent protocols.
    Do you accept that the prosecution of war is subject to rules, to international law?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 686 ✭✭✭Lawlesz


    why are you back throwing more nonsense around totally ignoring arguments put to you earlier in the day. Second day in a row you’ve done it.

    People might start to think you have no idea what you’re talking about given you consistently fail to back up what you post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    So back we go to WW2 again.

    Leaving out that Japan had an actual army - modern international law, the Geneva convention, genocide terminology, the UN, human rights etc, all came about due to the brutality and mass murder of WW2, and the world has been much much the better for it. We have never known peace like it (outside of the middle east)

    Why do you feel the need to go back to mans darkest time, a time when the world was brutal and lawless, there were no human rights, the holocaust was able to occur, and millions upon millions of people were killed on the whims of egotistical and sociopathic politicians and military generals? It's bananas and not the profound argument you think if is.

    If you are arguing all the levers we put in place to stop mankind from doing this again should be gone now so Israel can kill a terrorist militia that is absolutely no existential threat to it, you are also arguing for a world where this can happen to us. Powerful governments could literally say terrorists are anywhere.

    What is to stop us being bombed, or our children being targeted because some psycho country or leader says there is a terrorist nearby? You may think it unlikely but 5 years ago, nobody would have seen the world as it is now, you couldn't say what is in store for the next 20.

    So leave out ww2, don't talk about wars that have absolutely nothing to do with this, and focus on Gaza.

    What is the upper limit of Gazans you would support being killed so Hamas can be eradicated? Would you support it if they were all killed?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,480 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    WW2 is a particularly bad example to be comparing Palestine - Israel to. The Palestinian conflict has been underway for around 60 years, with a colonial occupying apartheid state trying to violently suppress an insurgent independence movement within its own borders.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,622 ✭✭✭Gerry T


    I think what should have been said, is that its yet to be proven that Israel funded them. For now all we can say is Israel funded directly or indirectly Hamas and other terrorist factions within Palestine. In what's believed to be an act to de-stabilise Palestine and prevent a one state Palestine from forming. Now do you agree with that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,655 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Why do you think Nizar Doghmush lied about turning down Israeli funding?

    Its on record Israel have offered repeatedly to help but have been rejected as they cant offer them anything the clan doesn't already have.

    Thats what I still find so funny people still trying to cling to this conspiracy that Israel help Doghmush when their known offers have rebuffed by the clan. Its just desperation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,636 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    The hostage families pleaded with the Israeli Govt. to end the war and bring the hostages home. With the constant bombing they feared their loved ones would be killed at the hands of Israel itself.

    Seems that's precisely what happened to Tamir Nimrodi. Nimrodi may have been released and still be alive today if Israel had not reneged on the ceasefire last March.

    May all the dead hostages rest in peace.

    The bodies of three hostages held by Hamas, Uriel Baruch, Tamir Nimrodi and Eitan Levy were returned to Israel from Gaza on Tuesday night, their families said on Wednesday morning, following forensic identification. The IDF said that the fourth body handed over by Hamas on Tuesday does not match any of the hostages.

    Nimrodi's forensic identification is also the first official confirmation of his death, more than two years after October 7. According to his family, Nimrodi, 18 years old, was killed in an IDF airstrike in Gaza. Baruch, 35, was murdered by Hamas on October 7, 2023 near Kibbutz Mefalsim after escaping from the Nova music festival and his body taken to Gaza. Levy, 35, was also murdered on October 7 and his body taken to Gaza.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,636 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Alleged War Criminal #1 (on the run) may very have limited his travel plans even more.

    "Two simple words were missing from the speeches delivered from the Knesset podium by Netanyahu and Trump on Monday: 'Palestinian state'...

    Netanyahu is viewed as a criminal with blood on his hands in the Arab and Muslim world, and as long as he is unwilling to discuss a Palestinian state, their leaders have no justification to engage in talks with him.

    Meanwhile, as Israel remains excluded from the key discussions about the region's future, its fate depends on the goodwill of Trump and his allies, including Erdoğan and the Emir of Qatar"

    Liza Rozovsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,636 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Good piece from Khoury:

    "The Sharm el-Sheikh peace summit will become a litmus test.

    If the cease-fire between Israel and Hamas holds, if aid begins to flow into Gaza at a reasonable pace, and if real steps are taken to rebuild Gaza, what now seems like a highly-publicized international show, may one day be remembered as the beginning of a genuine process.

    However, if the promises made during the summit end up collapsing under the weight of their own rhetoric, as has happened many times in the past, it will go down in history as yet another reiteration of the tired, old narrative, in which peace begins with a grand photo-op and ends when the cameras stop rolling"

    Jack Khoury



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,636 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Just reported on the BBC:

    Hamas says it has returned all the hostage bodies it can find

    19:58
    Breaking
    Hamas has released a new statement in the last few minutes confirming it has handed over the bodies of more hostages to the Red Cross.

    But the group says it has now handed over all the bodies it can access.

    Retrieving the remaining bodies will require "significant efforts and specialized equipment", Hamas says.

    We're restarting out live coverage to bring you these latest developments. We'll have more detail soon.



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