Israel/Palestine Thread

First one I checked

The IDF may have to go back in to finish off Hamas once and for all.

Just a day into the ceasefire and it's looking like there isn't a hope of them disarming.

Do you acknowledge that Israel has driven much of this Arab on Arab violence by aiding criminal clans in Gaza?

Is criticism of the pope or the Vatican state, criticism of all Catholics?

They haven't funded Doghmush unless you want to start a conspiracy that Israel created Al-Qaeda.....which wouldn't be a shock for this thread.

I dont expect you to answer at this point.

Israeli occupation forces carried out a deliberate campaign of arson across Gaza City immediately after the ceasefire was declared, a DropSite News report published on 13 October revealed.

According to the investigation, soldiers from the Golani, Givati, Nahal, Kfir, and newly created ultra-Orthodox Hashmonaim brigades set fire to homes, shops, and infrastructure on 9–10 October as they retreated from the city. 

So thats the game you want. How predictable.

Whatever irrelevant strawman clans you want to shìte on about are exactly that irrelevant. Its currently the Doghmush clan that matter. You want to exclude the one currently relevant clan so you can keep demonising Israel.

Its cute but pointless and shows your agenda.

I still don’t know if you accept that Israel funds and arms rival criminal gangs in Gaza or not PJ?

How about during the Syrian civil war PJ, do you accept that Israel armed al Queda affiliated groups and provided them medical support in that conflict?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-chief-acknowledges-long-claimed-weapons-supply-to-syrian-rebels/

Here’s an interesting paragraph in that article, from the Times of Israel mind you

“However, the acknowledgment of Israel’s support for rebel groups in Syria was highly irregular as, for years Israeli officials repeatedly declared that the country was not getting involved in Syria’s internal fighting — now evidently a lie, in light of Eisenkot’s remarks.”

I wonder if during the Syrian civil war there was a poster on Boards.ie who adamantly argued that Israel had never armed rebel groups in Syria, especially not those affiliated with al Queda

No doubt there are posters on Boards.ie right now, arguing adamantly that Israel would never do the things that they will admit to in a year two from now.

More here from the Jewish Chronicle, that anti semitic rag

The negotiations on a Palestinian state have always prioritized Israel’s security whereas both sides must be prepared to risk threats to national and personal security to make progress. Of course, Rabin found out the hard way that trying to make peace brought danger from his own side.

No one is claiming that the rule the world. Just that as a government they have damn good lobbyists.

And yes, the IDF do kill babies. Through starvation and shells and missiles and bullets. That's an objective fact. There's tens of thousands of children killed in Gaza.

This isn't the same as saying that jewish people kill children in rituals and drink their blood. That is a horrific conspiracy that was used to justify antisemitic attacks.

But you can't deny the truth, that tens of thousands of children have died. That the IDF don't care that they died and do nothing to prevent their deaths. That audio of the girl trapped in the car is horrific. The targeting of children by snipers is horrific. The mass starvation of everyone, including children, is wrong. Trying to deny facts by referencing a centuries old conspiracy theory and calling people antisemitic is just a bad faith argument.

Argue facts. Don't just label everything as antisemitic.

I know I'm not antisemitic. I've met loads of jews and I liked most of them. I know that jewish people are not some monolithic block. I know that there's a variety of beliefs and attitudes just like any other religion or ethnic group There's some i think are horrible because of their beliefs and some I think are great because of their beliefs. And I certainly wouldn't have any preconceived notions about them. I believe in Israels right to exist but I also believe in the Palestinians rights to self determination. Believing that the occupies territories should be left by Israel doesn't deny Israels right to exist. And I don't believe any of that because Israel is as Jewish country. I believe it for the same reasons I think Russia should get out of Ukraine, because it's the right thing.

Labelling people as antisemitic is a horrible accusation. And you should be ashamed of yourself for doing it. It's comparing them to nazi's and white supremacists. And it means that real antisemitism gets a pass since it's grouped together will all these false accusation.

So you acknowledge that Israel armed and funded Al Queda linked groups in Syria. (Despite denying it for years).
You acknowledge that Israel arms and funds ISIS linked gangs in Gaza.
But in order for anyone to suspect there may be cooperation between Israel and the Doghmush clan you claim it’s simply not possible “unless you want to start a conspiracy that Israel created Al-Qaeda”

Could you explain this point please PJ?