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Orange is the new Burke

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,798 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    The constant insistence that Burke's dismissal has anything to do with pronouns is utterly tiresome.

    Dressing up hatred and intolerance as a legitimate religious belief has been around for hundreds of years and I had really hoped we had moved beyond it in Ireland, but there will always be outliers and dinosaurs.

    Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, no matter how extreme, but imposing them on others should be a thing of the past.

    Again, the guy was sacked for his unacceptable behaviour. He was jailed for contempt of court. Nothing to do with pronouns or gender.

    He is just a fundamentally bad person and he is the antithesis of what Christian values claim to be. Aligning yourself with someone like that would seem to be a very un-Christian thing to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,009 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    "Again, the guy was sacked for his unacceptable behaviour. He was jailed for contempt of court. Nothing to do with pronouns or gender."

    Agreed, as per my post #17556 /2nd paragraph.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,349 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    You seem to require there to be a physical proof of the existence of transgender people before you would accept a person can be transgender. The Burkes ideology, which you seem to accept as factual, is based on their belief that transgenderism is all in the mind, that transgender people therefore do not exist.

    The way you insist that Enoch was and still is the only one in step at WHS is a misstatement of the facts that existed at WHS. The way out of the crux that faced him was to resign and seek employment elsewhere. He did not do so and objected to the way the school board ran, and is running, the school, that it did and still does not fit into the ethos he, and his family, requires it to follow.

    To the present day, it's the Burke family who are disrupting the normal way WHS is being run. The proof of that is that it's his family who bring him there, who stand with him inside the school grounds videoing his activities and speeches there, including the latest one where he's arguing with the security guard inside the school grounds, who's advising him that he's trespassing at the school. Burke is lying in response, saying that he works (present tense) at the school and is on his way into school to do so.

    As for what he, and his family, may actually be up to with the videoing of his activities inside the school grounds is attempting to have a physical exchange between school staff and himself to make him seem to be the victim of violence. The new video of the exchange between himself and the security man was of him advancing regularly towards that man forcing the man to back away inch by inch in order to avoid Burke colliding with him. The Burke family protest is clearly gaming the situation towards a confrontation there, in a similar style to their acts at the Four Courts and at the Northern Ireland political events they interrupted there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,671 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    You're sounding pretty ideological, the principal was never viewed at fault in this scenario. Enoch is not a champion for human rights and Christian schools do actually tend to diverge from religious views.

    Sex education under a truly Christian ethos would be teaching students to be celibate, gay students would be told to repress and to just not be gay. So would you be praising Enoch if he objected to the fact that not a single school in Ireland approaches sex education that way? You're not praising Enoch because of his Christian ethos, it's because he fixated on the same topic as you.

    Post edited by eightieschewbaccy on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,089 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    Because it strengthens their argument that it's a conspiracy against them. They should be challenged factually as the facts are not usually on their side. Mocking or lampooning them let's them off too easy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,528 ✭✭✭Yeah Right


    Anyone exhibiting such ignorance of the situation at this stage of the game is doing so deliberately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,086 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    To me, and many others, the Burkes are just as daft, believing in an all seeing man in the sky who they have to obey, from stories made up in a selection of books a couple of thousand of years ago.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,422 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Exactly - apparently "Trans people" don't exist even though we can see them and speak to them and listen to their explanations of why they feel the way they feel etc.

    And they don't exist because "God says so" .

    A God , that no one has ever verifiably seen or heard , but absolutely definitely positively exists and we must follow his rules and instructions because if we don't we won't get to "Heaven" , the existence of which cannot be proven and we will instead go to "Hell" another place that cannot be proven to exist.

    Who are supposed to be the delusional ones here?????



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,784 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Not sure of you're pretending not to understand, or if you really haven't got a clue?

    I was just thinking the same thing…

    Enoch was totally correct, and I support him on this.

    You were alway going to say this, it’s very evident you have support for some sort of bigotry here. That’s up to you.

    All of this is just based on a belief system, the belief that a child's sex is "assigned" at birth and that their true inner soul or "gender identity" may differ from that which was "assigned" to them. This is pure trans ideology. Not base in science or biology, but purely based on a belief system (that everybody MUST buy into), or else

    And you think Enoch Burke is a clear minded philosopher? He is a religious zealot, like his whole family, who firmly believe they know the truth. So get out of here with that.

    The irony of what you are even trying to say is very clear lost on you. You’ve let a silly hatred fog your critical thinking here.

    If you really think Burke was right to do what he did, and continue to do what he is doing now, you have a warped sense of reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,685 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    No it doesn't.. Light is the best disinfectant, lampoon away.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,286 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    None of the Burkes give a damn about any facts they don't like.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 58,512 ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Mod: @Hamsterchops don't post in this thread again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,533 ✭✭✭scottser


    God made everyone and everything, including trans people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,408 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    There's so many anti trans threads, please don't turn this into one.

    BTW, for what it matters the medical establishment agree that trans people exist. So it's really just you against science. So please don't reduce this to belief.

    Edit: just saw the post above about hamsterchops not replying, so everyone please ignore this

    Post edited by Grayson on


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,779 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    I am quite surprised he hasn't been knocked around a bit. I realize this is eye for an eye considering he assaulted the principal but, sometimes, it feels, albeit incorrectly, that jumping to a simple solution is best.

    I wouldn't agree with it, nor am I promoting it, just surprised it hasn't happened.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,349 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    The Family Burke seem to be goading the person they are barracking to the snapping point in order to provoke a physical response to their verbal assaults. My advice would be not to do so UNTIL the Burke family member actually physically touched them and only then to seize and retain possession of the camera the Burke had used to record what contact spoken and physical they had with the WHS employee as it would have first-hand evidence recorded by the Burkes themselves before they could edit, alter and interfere with it's contents, using the minimal amount of force equitable in response to the physical force assault the Burkes had started and carried out first. The best response would be polite and verbal despite the Burkes goading and lying.

    The Burkes have proven it's very easy to download video contents to the internet sites to ensure one gets one's side of the story out to the public and an excellent aide for the recording to be from the provocative side (the Burkes) to any incident.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,474 ✭✭✭jacool


    Just saw earlier note so deleting!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭Fotish


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,966 ✭✭✭adaminho




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,701 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    So annoyed that I missed this. I'm in a pub just around the corner so thankfully safe from Enoch.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,966 ✭✭✭adaminho


    I know, passed it on my way to Nancys but didn't know he was there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭French Toast


    Typical of the Burkes character that he couldn't even wait until towards the end of her speech to jump in, she hardly had a sentence out and he was down her throat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,835 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,784 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,628 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    Classic manchild attention seeking behaviour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭Hibernicis




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,104 ✭✭✭Pentecost


    "I'm being assaulted". Such a drama queen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,872 ✭✭✭✭Purple Mountain


    He lives in Mayo?

    So he made mammy/daddy drive him all the way to Limerick to make his scene.

    He needs a hobby.

    And he gets right in her face, pointing his finger. That's intimidation. Could you imagine a presidential candidate in the US having that happen to them? There's no way in hell.

    To thine own self be true



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,272 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    A utter waster of space and oxygen Enoch Burke is. There are monkeys and chimpanzees with more intelligent than him and who do more than this waste of space has done in the last what is it now 2, 3 years?

    Do you know what the courts should do with Enoch Burke and any if his family who protest against it? They should make him do a million community hours. Prison did not work so make him do proper work with no pay for the rest if his life, ie community work. That will keep the waste of space busy for the rest of his pathetic life. Have him fill potholes on roads, sweep leaves dig ditches etc.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,628 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    If someone did the same to him he'd be up in arms.

    He has waisted his life imo. Brainwashed. I wonder will he look back in 30 years and wonder wtf was I doing.



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