Who actually wants the Dublin Airport passenger cap abolished?

Jinglejangle69 · 13-10-2025 07:53AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123900856#Comment_123900856

So why are we all being punished by carbon taxes and told it’s an emergency and we’re all doomed if we don’t act fast.

Yet let’s put more planes in the sky meaning more damage to the climate.

Make it make sense.

kaahooters · 13-10-2025 07:59AM

its nothing to do with residents.

, the cap is there due to the transport limitations to dublin airport, so if they raise the cap, new roads need to be built, new busses need to be bought , more taxi licences need to be created for the airport, more hotelrooms. it wasnt implemented as a "f you ryaniar!". the DAA and airlines are asling for more watter to be poured in an overflowing cup. its nothing to do with residents.

magicbastarder · 13-10-2025 07:59AM

is there any actual data on passenger movements?

in theory it'd be possible that passengers through an airport might only be inhabitants of the country, or only visitors.

how many of them are (say) irish people taking a ryanair jolly to london for the day to go shopping?

Flinty997 · 13-10-2025 08:04AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123900909#Comment_123900909

How is the "whole" country being held back?

Its a false narrative that it only effects a few people. What is actually saying is everyone across the entire city and suburbs and further can go lump it, if they decide to move flight paths or run air craft all night.

I'm not effected by the airport or near it. I've lived under flight paths before, even near Heathrow and some people just get used to it. Its off peak only a short drive for me.

But I just don't get why people worship unrestricted airport expansion. Or why people think it's ok that the whole country has to drive to Dublin to go on holiday. I've sat on the M50 in gridlock at 1am. I just think it's crazy.

Idbatterim · 13-10-2025 08:04AM

The airport already pay for this fir homes effected. "noise mitigation measures" ...

Seth Brundle · 13-10-2025 08:12AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123900912#Comment_123900912

Not sure where you're getting this from my question. My question was because @Idbatterim made up something which can easily be disproven.

Firstly, the cap has not been found to be illegal.
Secondly, the cap is related to Dublin Airport's planning permission as agreed by DAA & FCC. DAA have not sought to increase this via planning and instead threw a tantrum along with MOL and others. It is not in relation to green issues

High Court: Dublin Airport passenger cap decision stayed | Irish Legal News

But you're right: more flights = more unnecessary emissions which we should not be encouraging.

CPTM · 13-10-2025 08:25AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123900850#Comment_123900850

It's not the emissions thing but the cost of it. Weve entered into an agreement and if we surpass a certain amount, we have to start paying. And the government won't be asking Ryanair for that, they'll be asking us for it.

magicbastarder · 13-10-2025 08:28AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123900926#Comment_123900926

i've flown in and out of dusseldorf quite a few times. the aer lingus flight leaves there at about 9pm, and you don't want it being late - as departures after 10pm are verboten. thankfully it's only happened me once that the incoming flight ran late enough that they were worried about getting it turned around in time, so they diverted to cologne and we were bussed there.

Bass Reeves · 13-10-2025 08:31AM

I think the cap should stay.in place. Ww have other options available to airlines but they do not want to take up these options as long as they think they can get the passenger cap lifted. Lots if spare capacity in Shannon especially

marathon2022 · 13-10-2025 08:34AM

Maybe reduce the CAP, make it 25million.

the_amazing_raisin · 13-10-2025 08:38AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123900855#Comment_123900855

This is the part that I find frustrating, it isn't like FCC is against raising the cap. It's more that they want to see a plan in place for how the airport is going to handle the additional traffic

Seems like a fairly reasonable request considering the size of the airport

DAA on the other hand seem unwilling to engage and are throwing their weight behind a political solution

the_amazing_raisin · 13-10-2025 08:54AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123900909#Comment_123900909

It's several towns, and the noise isn't my main concern. Although if DAA try to cancel the night time restrictions then it will be a concern

The main issue I have is that DAA are selling a narrative that the passenger cap is the only thing holding Ireland back from an economic golden age when in reality it'll just benefit DAA and a few airlines

The added jobs are a myth, there's already more jobs than workers in the country. The reason hotels and restaurants struggle to get staff is because the skilled workers can to do anything else and the people who will work there want a decent wage

Dumping an extra 150,000 tourists into the mix won't solve anything, it'll just divide up a stretched labour pool even more

I've no doubt more hotels will be built but that puts pressure on a construction industry which is itself struggling to keep up

A Dub in Glasgo · 13-10-2025 09:07AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123900363#Comment_123900363

Yes

somenergy · 13-10-2025 09:14AM

Abolish Abolish more air routes to serve our diaspora and use it to its full potential environmental considerations are a false flag our taxes paid for it we are an island so move on

astrofool · 13-10-2025 09:16AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123900991#Comment_123900991

They've been shifting to airports in the UK instead.

blackbox · 13-10-2025 09:17AM

Nobody will benefit from having passenger numbers capped.

Red Silurian · 13-10-2025 09:18AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123900968#Comment_123900968

The thing about the emissions and aviation they are never stated as a relative thing.

If I drive From Shannon to London what emissions come out of my car? If I hop on a plane of 300 people in Shannon and use public transport in London my emissions are going to be substantially lower, zero getting around London and 1/300th of the planes emissions

If 300 people drove instead of flew it would be much worse for the climate

the_amazing_raisin · 13-10-2025 09:31AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123900920#Comment_123900920

The cap is 32 million so with a population of 5 million and assuming 2 holidays per year (which is 4 flights with outbound and return) that implies around 20 million pasengers are Irish people heading abroad

Given the population isn't growing that fast and holidays are getting more expensive rather than cheaper, I guess the idea is that any excess capacity will be filled by more visitors

Bass Reeves · 13-10-2025 09:40AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123901113#Comment_123901113

Airlines will follow the business. As long as they think they can bully the government and local authorities to change the cap they will. If the decision is made no to change the cap they will look for a other solution.

They may not add as many flight as fast but as they start to expand the business elsewhere momentum will grow. It's too easy to just fill planes out of Dublin. Generally all flight out if Shannon and Cork are full to capacity. But from the UK and from countries like Holland Germany etc the flight are about 20 minutes longer. This is a case of the tail trying to wag the dog

positron · 13-10-2025 09:42AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123900926#Comment_123900926

Supply vs demand.

If the demand exceeds the number of seats allowed, ticket prices go up (indirectly - as airlines will have to fly less routes, less seats). This is how the whole country ends up paying more for flying in and out of Dublin.

The lost opportunities (perhaps Dublin could be a transit hub?), general business and development, tourism etc etc are of course the bigger items, but people seems to disagree on them - so I won't mention them.

the_amazing_raisin · 13-10-2025 09:45AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123901213#Comment_123901213

Isn't Ryanair in particular supposed to be the kings of using smaller airports to lower prices? Why doesn't that trick work for Ireland, can't routes be shifted to smaller cities?

positron · 13-10-2025 09:48AM

If there was a Wicklow airport or Drogheda airport.. I can not imagine how many more NIMBY groups that will give rise to. :D

Lillyfae · 13-10-2025 09:50AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123901225#Comment_123901225

The DAA has a stranglehold on the other airports in Ireland so you would have to ask them that imo

magicbastarder · 13-10-2025 10:05AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123901119#Comment_123901119

IIRC irish rail pay more for the fuel that powers their trains, than ryanair pay for the jet fuel that powers their planes - because the tax is higher on the train fuel.

if i'm correct about that, it's ludicrous that fuel for public transport is taxed more heavily.

if europe taxed jet fuel at the rate it should, perhaps that would take the pressure down on passenger numbers.

Mellor · 13-10-2025 10:18AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123900919#Comment_123900919

the cap is there due to the transport limitations to dublin airport, so if they raise the cap, new roads need to be built

No it isn’t.
and even if it was, the roads have in fact been upgraded in the last 2 decades.

Busman Paddy Lasty · 13-10-2025 10:19AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123901225#Comment_123901225

For dumping passengers and picking up more yes.

But they need a certain amount of ports with hangar and maintenance space and I think Dublin is one.

martingriff · 13-10-2025 10:33AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123900844#Comment_123900844

You know there is more then one airport maybe start advertising them infrastructure or build another in the center of ireland

ted1 · 13-10-2025 10:35AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123901398#Comment_123901398

But the majority of people live near Dublin.

They forced flights to divert to Shannon for years , it didn’t work

kaahooters · 13-10-2025 10:50AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123901348#Comment_123901348

100% is the issue, and the hearing in december that was suppose to be for the lifting on the cap was directly about this.

"the roads have been upgraded", no they havent, the main point of ingress to and exit from the airport, from the M1 is constantly gridlocked in the morning, at lunch and in the evening, with traffic constantly stoped on the m1 as a result of it.

right now theres a crash on the ingress road

Mellor · 13-10-2025 10:51AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123901005#Comment_123901005

Exactly. There’s no fundamental opposition to a larger airport, FCC literally proposed in their development plan.

Submitting documents and evidence to support development is literally how a planning application works.
DDA simply left it too late. Should have been submitted years ago.
(they lodged a ln application in 2019 and withdrew due to Covid, idiotic)

Who actually wants the Dublin Airport passenger cap abolished?

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