Israel/Palestine Thread

This might be why Larry's son maybe buying Tik Tok.

I'm sure this has been mentioned before but the media narrative that Hamas release 'hostages' but Israel release 'prisoners' is rotten. Many Palestinians in prison have committed no crime but are regularly lifted by the IDF and then many tortured or abused.

The primacy of the 'hostages' too in much of the commentary around the 'ceasefire' by many politicians - notably Obama on Thursday, illustrates an ongoing insidious message that the Palestinians are 'lesser' in all of this.

My fear is the "genocide is justified because hostages" thought process , will now become "genocide is justified because Hamas have guns", and killing will resume.

Can't help but feel Gazans are still in a massively perilous position.

I'm sure all the posters who said "this will end when hostages are freed" will pivot accordingly.

Hope it is just paranoia and this will be peace though

Why, did Hamas and "religious Palestinian fanatics" (whatever that is) blow up almost all of Gaza, and commit genocide on Gazans?

Did you call for Israeli "religious fanatics", and settlers in Israel to pay for damages incurred during October 7th too? They have been killing Palestinians for years before October 7th afterall.

Your argument uses the exact same logic that Hamas supporters use who solely blame Israel for what happened to Israelis on October 7th.

People are responsible for what they have done and be held accountable - not for what others have done.

Miniegg, hold on here. Why when making these comparisons of whose fault it is why do you say Israel and Hamas, and not Israel and Palestinians? As if only Hamas are trouble and bad, but not Palestinians; yet it’s Israel when mentioning the other side, and not the IDF, or the Israeli government.

That very much depends on who is doing the recovering. If it's an independent body, the numbers will be more accurate whatever they end up being.

If it's Israel, then expect a downward revision in order to make them look good.

I wonder will Barghouti be released as part of the deal. Abbas will be hoping he isn't.

@walshb, I get what our are saying, but almost every post I made is against targeting civilians for something a government/ military/ terrorist organisation does. You hardly think I am sneakily advocating for it now?

Tbh, I haven't seen any posters here conflating all Israelis as guilty for the crimes of their army/ government.

I haven't ever heard anyone say "none are innocent in Israel" or call them human animals. I haven't seen anybody say "it's time to wipe them all out now and be done with it", as we heard regarding Gazans, or that all their children will grow up to be terrorists.

That side of the argument doesn't exist in this thread in any large number, and certainly doesn't exist in a single post I have ever made.

That is the reason why I make the distinction between Palestinians and Hamas, and shouldn't need to about Israel, because nobody is talking about Israelis in the awful terms that some do about Gazans, so imo I shouldn't need to spell it out.

Also, pain in the h*le to type "Israeli government and IDF" in every post. But will take the point on board.

Nope, I don't know what you believe, and not saying you believe something if you don't. Just arguing the point of your post.

Just like the people involved in the Warsaw Uprising had to pay for the rebuilding of post war Warsaw.

I agree fully. That is pretty much this thread for a lot of posters. And throwing in “I condemn Hamas” every so often doesn’t change it.