Israel/Palestine Thread

It's not really been proven.

The problem is that we know a lot of the stuff that occurred during the attacks never happened. The attacks happened and they were horrific. I'm not denying that. But specific claims and reports came out afterwards that were proven to be untrue. All the apparent babies murdered. The holocaust survivor that was killed. They never happened.

And when it comes to the sexual assaults, There's no evidence which presented. They claim that a lot of the women who were killed were assaulted, but they didn't provide any evidence. No autopsies were performed. No rape kits were used.

When other things have been proven to be lies, it means that we can't accept their word on it.

And that's crazy. Those attacks were horrific. There were so many deaths of innocent people that day. And that's not including people who were wounded or left psychologically traumatised. The fact that some people just flat out made stuff up and other defended those lies, and still defend those lies, is just insane to me. We should be in a position where we know exactly what happened that day.

until the last minute … and then resume bombing civilians in other countries.

The modus operandi of a lot of folk here seem to be ' we are the experts here and everyone who differs from our dogma is trolling'

I don't go about my business accusing people of " bordering on trolling" I ask questions , pertinent questions which seem to rile up a certain coterie who post here. I don't blandly accept any of the stuff being reported from the conflict zone without scrutiny despite what certain folk like to pump out for our dissertation.

The problem with so called "corroborated evidence" in war situations, is it needs drilling down and sifted through for its origins and authors!

I don't want to reduce this thread into personal battles and accusations but I do feel there is a need to maybe realise there are contrary views out there , forensic examination of 'statements' and questions need asking.

Ill leave it at that but those who know to whom I refer to know who they are.

"Now, you said you had conflicting information that Hamas had indeed been systematically stealing aid, indicating the IDF and US government were wrong in their separate investigations into the matter. "

"Also, you alluded previously that the flotilla people may have been involved in illicit funding."

All the accusations in that post are totally untrue.

Im not going to derail the thread rebutting them

What are you playing at.

Direct quote from you:

The report I read makes is completely inconclusive as whether the aid was being looted by Hamas or proxies of that terror group.

So for me it’s one sides word against the others.

What report are you referring to? What sides "word" are you talking about being against the other? It was IDF and US government investigations that found there was not systematic theft of aid by Hamas. If you are saying someone is going against their word in this matter, who do you mean? The politicians in Israel who are wanted war criminals?

If so, it seems to me one side has found no proof of an accusation, while the other side makes an accusation without proof. Somebody's word doesn't come into it in such a case. The person without proof is lying.

Another direct quote, regarding the flotilla

The same names keep cropping up, a lot of them, in my opinion, just there to self promote and get the heavy exposure MSM seem to be giving them.

Very difficult to drill down into the finances of these outfits, as RTE , or reputable broadcasters seem to shy away from going in there.

What else could got be inferring other than the funding is illicit? Or do you want to know if Mary next door gave the flotilla a few bob? Seems a strange thing to post on the internet if you arent suggesting something dodgy. What did you mean?

And never mind about RTE, I showed you a link from the genuine Israeli foreign ministry account showing documentary proof they are all in Hamas (definitely), and where they highlighted George Galloway as a snr Hamas leader and you won't acknowledge it? Why? Seems RTE aren't the only ones shying away from it.

Im not going to derail the thread rebutting them

Mindless one liners with no context derail the thread far more.

If you have opinions on it give them

Donald beaten to the top prize!!

It was way too soon anyway. 12 months' time would be a much better period to assess whether the Gaza peace deal was a success or not.

I don't blandly accept any of the stuff being reported from the conflict zone without scrutiny despite what certain folk like to pump out for our dissertation.

It seems to me you, and your ilk on here, don't accept anything because you deal purely on emotion. There is no scrutiny for what is posted, as long as it favours the killing in Gaza. Lots of points put across have been shown to be complete fabrications and lies, but doesnt matter a jot.

If a certain type of person strongly believes for example, all Muslims are bad people/ they are trying to take over us/ they are all terrorists/ alternative facts won't sway them, but if lies feed those emotions, they will gobble them up.

These people have read things, or spoke to people who put things in their heads, and those ideas have taken hold for whatever reason. It may not be reality, but it doesnt matter, it has become emotional, and has evolved into either apathy or hatred. Some people, including in here, seem to be fine with tens of thousands of Gazans being butchered. Some support it - there are examples in the last 5 pages, and I don't see you scrutinizing them for some reason.

Proof doesn't matter to ye. The UN, the ICJ, the ICC, Amnesty, ActionAid, Oxfam, Medicines San Frontiers, Btselem, on and on and on, are all antisemetic and targeting Israel, for some reason.

They aren't anti Russian when taking on Putin, or anti African for all the leaders down there they went after, but they definitely are antisemetic for this.

Ye tell yourselves Irish aren't really disgusted by witnessing a genocide, they support Hamas. Never supported Al Qaeda, or ISIS, or Boko Haram, but in the case of these Jihadis, they support them.

Even though there is virtually no history of antisemetism in Ireland (Islamophobia far more prevalent), or the fact we sit in the lower end of ADL antisemetism tables in Europe, we are virulent Jews haters apparently, just like the UN.

Eamon Devalera has a forest named after him in Tel Aviv for aiding the young Jewish state, was a close personal friend of Israel's first chief rabbi, and personally ensured Jewish people would be protected in the constitution - the only in the world to do this at a time when they were being treated appallingly in the rest of Europe. Nah ignore that, he really was a Nazi supporter and loved Hitler.

Ye look at the total apocalyptic urban devastation in Gaza, streets and streets flattened, whole cities, dogs eating corpses in the street, tens of thousands of children dead, hundreds of starving people shot dead queuing for food and tell yourselves, yea - this is what a typical anti terror operation looks like.

You look at starvation and famine in Gaza, and float between it between it being necessary because "Hamas are stealing aid", and it all being a hoax because the ICP, the WHO, and UNICEF are also antisemetic and making it up.

You ignore doctors, Irish doctors, who have risked their lives to go to Gaza and try to help mutilated and starving people in what is likely the worst conditions in the world to do such a task. I spoke to one in Waterford, it was harrowing listening to him and absolutely disgraceful what those people are living through. Children over there had as much to do with October 7th as our children, but we have to accept this is the way it is?

Nothing will change your mind. Ye don't care about facts. Ye don't engage. It is lie after lie after lie, and if it backs your view, you will swallow it down and regurgitate it at will. I bother my arse posting and debunking sh*te on here, not to sway ye, but so hopefully others won't believe this stuff blindly and fall into the same trap ye did.

There's plenty of underground tunnels filled with Hamas operatives left for them to destroy if they were so inclined. Mind you those tunnels would make a good starting point for future sewerage or metro lines for any developer so inclined

Completely agree, lasting peace is a long way off, I think Netanyahu and Hamas need to be gotten rid of if there's ever to be any form of long-term peace but this ceasefire is at least the first step on that long road.

The fact that Trump was so influential in it while his predecessor and most other global leaders is both shocking and annoying. The supposedly influential leaderships of the EU, China and the Arab League who sat on their hands the whole time have a lot to learn from the manbaby it seems

Within a day, Elon has started flooding my feed with pro-Israeli ****….

Total misrepresentation of what I wrote in that post.

Total.