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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,761 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    It's not simplistic at all but I think if a politician is not happy with a whip being imposed then they shouldn't be a member of a party that imposes one. That's one of the reasons we have independent politicians



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,188 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    That Act doesn't prevent the use of stock footage or other footage of the Defence Forces. They weren't endorsing Gavin, film of them was just being used.

    It is exactly the same thing, as your own post has just confirmed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,504 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    This is nonsense as usual.

    If this was a Garda whistleblower, then the focus would not be on a TD and a woman, it would be on the Dáil and the supposed lapse in security there. Try a bit harder @blanch152



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,851 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    You think that using someone's image without their consent, to try and create a false impression that they support you, is some way acceptable?

    Not surprising given the moral "flexibility" you normally display when it comes to anyone who has been endorsed by SF.

    One standard for them - different for anyone else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,504 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Have you watched the video?

    In no way does it try to say that those presidents support her.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,018 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    So €3300 in 2009 is equivalent to how much in 2025?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,188 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    It could be a Dail civil servant whistleblowing on Catherine Connolly's unacceptable behaviour in signing a redacted into the Dail for six months.

    Either way, it is your usual hypocrisy, only supporting whistleblowers when they say things you want to hear.

    It could be a disgruntled Labour TD whistleblowing, again who knows?

    Quite clear that you have turned against whistleblowers.

    Post edited by Seth Brundle on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,188 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Once again, that is the exact same situation as Jim Gavin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,832 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Yes thats an important fact, and i agree with protecting the identity of whistleblowers.

    No its not nonsense - this reaction is merely evidence of a total lack of objectivity on the part of Connolly supporters. Its been going on for days. I saw a post a while back, claiming that Gavin stepping down might be an 'orchestrated attempt by the establishment' to prevent CC from being elected. So clearly, if it isnt collusion among journalists, its conspiratorial behavior among politicians.

    Look!

    There is a case FOR Catherine Connolly to be elected president. There is a case AGAINST this too. Its being debated, and examined in the public square, by all politically minded persons. That is what is playing out here.

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,832 ✭✭✭liamtech


    I dont have to believe its sinister - i am entitled to believe, as i do, that her judgement and thinking during this incident is flawed.

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,375 ✭✭✭jmcc


    The subsequent enquiries on the Frontline show mentioned the existence of a "Friends of the Pat Kenny show" group. The Frontline show was billed as a gamechanger. The first attempt to get Gallagher failed as it was incomprehensible. Then there was a tweet from a Twitter account not associated with the SF campaign. It could have been checked out there in the studio as the SF campaign team were there. Instead, it was used to get Gallagher. Gallagher made the fatal mistake of using the word "envelope" and his campaign ended there and then. Those people involved in the Frontline show either did not have their contracts renewed by RTE or left RTE. The Sindo did some good reporting on this. Without their use of the fake tweet, Higgins would not have been installed as president in 2011. The BAI found that Gallagher's rights had been infringed.

    Controversial issues such as Immigration had stacked panels. Even with the property bubble, there were stacked panels. Balance would be nice but it is quite rare in Irish broadcasting.

    Newspapers have become viewspapers because comment is cheaper than real journalism. The fake tan article was a classic example of how easy it is to target the bias of the commentariat.

    The subversion of RTE by the Official Sinn Fein/Workers Party and the Ned Stapleton cumann is well documented historical fact. Perhaps you should read "The Lost Revolution" as it covers some of it. Even a few searches on Google will produce articles on it.

    Good journalism is the exception rather than the rule. Publications and broadcasters have to be careful not to upset large advertisers. People rarely see this side of the business and often don't realise that the media is in a constant battle over what it can and cannot publish. Then there are the PR people and the SPADs trying to get their content published. You are probably an avid reader of Irish media outlets and believe that they are the best journalists in the whole wide world. The quality varies considerably and people like you are, for the most part, fed the mushroom diet. As Roger Ailes put it, people don't want to be informed, they want to feel informed. It is only when stories like the Gavin tenant debt break that the Irish public gets to see good journalism in action.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,832 ✭✭✭liamtech


    We could debate the party whip system, and there are plenty of arguments for, and against it. Broadly speaking, a party manifesto going into an election would be useless were it not for the party being unified via a whip.

    In all honesty, if you want an example of a weaker party whip system, you could look at the US. There are majority and minority whips, but they lack the power that we have in our system. And it often leads to severe stagnation and paralysis; when some among the majority, have a local issue (pork barrel in nature), that leads them to vote with the opposition. The majority suddenly find themselves unable to legislate on issues which were seemingly in their manifesto. And the result tends to be chaotic.

    Even in our system, we have seen politicians decide that, on a serious matter, they will break the whip. And that is their business. In the case of the nomination, it just wasnt seen as crucial. Elected officials can decide to break whip, or not, based on their own feelings on a topic. In the case of the nomination, they just didnt see it as crucial enough to break the whip, and that is their prerogative.

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,504 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The Defence Forces citing the rules withdrew their permission.

    Not the 'same' situation at all as the President's here have said nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,173 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    people are asking why Jim didn’t pay the tenant back in early September when this came to light … I’m not sure if people realise the type of operator Jim is …

    Remember, The facts are that After the tenant made numerous attempts to contact Jim, he reluctantly dropped a confidential letter addressed to Jim to JG parents house. 

    He asked the parents to provide the letter to Jim but didn’t want to involve them any further than that. 

    Jim rang the tenant off a private number late that same night, and was extremely irate that the tenant had the temerity to show up at his parents house. 

    Jim was extremely angry then once he eventually calmed down he told the tenant he was transferring the money right there and then online. He assured him he would have his money within a few days. 

    Remember, this is months after the tenant first requested Jim to pay him back. 

    The tenant never received the money. 

    People need to take the blinkers off when it comes to Jim Gavin. 

    Then Jim says he remembers none of this when asked specifics by FF. Never happened sez Jim. 

    Then, he keeps digging a hole when he appears on last Sundays debate. he gives a very wishy washy response and doesn’t admit fault. He goes on about how it was tough time for him back then and plays the sympathy card at every opportunity. 

    I can think of a few words that describe Jim and his type but will leave that to others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,504 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    And that is your prerogative.

    For me, if she had no sinister motive her judgement was sound and, as far as we can see, been proved to be a sound character judgement. Rehabilitating people requires judgement capabilities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,504 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    More grist to the Vetting mill. Questions in the rest of the article for Alan Shatter too.

    There is however no requirement for “clearance” from An Garda Síochána. The vetting process for Leinster House access cards doesn’t even begin until staff start working for Oireachtas members. 

    Fine Gael presidential candidate Heather Humphreys falsely claimed in an interview played on last Thursday’s Drivetime that “garda clearance” is required before starting a role at the Oireachtas. 

    “How come she (Connolly’s staff member) had access to the Oireachtas without garda clearance. Everybody knows when you apply for a job, you must be vetted by the Garda Síochána and you can’t take up that job until the vetting has been completed,” Humphreys wrongly claimed – without challenge – on RTÉ.

    The Ditch has obtained a genuine policy document – distinct from the fake shared by Alan Shatter on X – titled “Vetting for new staff/returning staff” published by the Houses of the Oireachtas Service.

    The policy makes it clear that vetting doesn’t start until an employee has been hired by a TD.

    “Member/party administrator selects new/returning staff member. In order to receive Oireachtas access card, the staff member must be on the Oireachtas payroll and based in Leinster House,” the document says.

    The policy sets out the paperwork required to complete the garda vetting process for an access card and what happens after it has been completed.

    “A nil return on disclosure results in access cards being printed and the liaison team will make contact to arrange issue to the new staff member,” it says. 

    “Should there be a disclosure of convictions, the applicant will be contacted by the liaison

    and asked to provide confirmation from them that details are accurate (and) supply any supporting information for consideration.”

    The superintendent of the Oireachtas, not to be confused with a garda superintendent, makes the final decision. 

    “The superintendent (of the Oireachtas) will then assess the application and make a decision on if an access card can be issued,” according to the policy.

    The Houses of the Oireachtas Service declined to comment on what it said were “security matters”.

    The garda press office said it doesn’t comment on “security and vetting matters relating to individuals or locations”.

    It is time the Government clarified all this, once and for all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,832 ✭✭✭liamtech


    The Gallagher tweet was used by Martin McGuinness, a candidate, in an election, to bait and damage an opponent of his; on live television, during a presidential debate.

    Roughly that is what we watched happen - i really dont see what you are complaining about here, other than, you preferred Gallagher and he lost. Its politics. It played out, Gallagher responded as he did, and lost support.

    The language you are using is bewildering too BTW. Higgins was not 'installed' as president. He won the election, he was 'elected' president.

    Please point to the 'stacked panels' on the topic of immigration btw - im curious about what it is you are referring to, and when. I have always seen different spokespersons from differing political parties discuss immigration, and how to move forward with the topic. I dont recall anyone being excluded, apart from, obvious bad actors.

    I think on the topic of Irish Journalism, we just have to agree to disagree. I view Ireland as having a strong history of journalism which showed neither fear nor favour when exposing scandals. A far better mainsteam media than now exists in the US (fox et al) or the UK (just look at GBNews for 5 minutes without screaming)

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,188 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    You need to stop telling lies. This was the article linked to earlier in the thread and the President's position was clear:

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/presidential-election/it-is-well-known-they-cant-stand-each-other-connolly-campaign-wont-take-down-video-featuring-michael-d-higgins/a285124266.html

    "A spokesperson for the President confirmed permission had not been sought nor granted for Ms Connolly to use Mr Higgins in the campaign video.

    It was also confirmed to the Irish Independent that Áras an Uachtaráin received no communication whatsoever from the Connolly campaign team.

    Mr Higgins has made it clear he would not be commenting on any candidate or the progress of the campaign for the next president.

    A source, who initially contacted the Irish Independent about the video, said “there was no way on earth” Mr Higgins or his team would have granted permission to the Connolly campaign."

    And to confirm, Connolly is refusing to take down the video.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,504 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The video is gone.

    And please, this is not what you think it is:

    "A spokesperson for the President confirmed permission had not been sought nor granted for Ms Connolly to use Mr Higgins in the campaign video.

    It is just saying the Campaign Team did not seek permission. Because they don't have to. There are NO RULES governing this and you have not shown them.

    You do not need the permission of people in 'Stock' footage. Have you any idea how it works and the time that would be required to put footage together if that was the case?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,188 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    That article is so full of misinformation and contradictions. They clearly know zero about the process.

    Firstly the article says that they don't need Garda vetting:

    "Heather Humphreys is among those spreading misinformation that Oireachtas political staff need so-called garda clearance – they don’t, according to policy documents obtained by The Ditch."

    Then it says that they do:

    "The policy sets out the paperwork required to complete the garda vetting process for an access card and what happens after it has been completed."

    They have only increased the questions for Catherine Connolly.

    Furthermore, the issue is that CC bypassed the requirements for Garda vetting by signing the person in for six months.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,188 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Well, Connolly is now in the same position of Gavin of having had to take down a video because of unauthorised usage. You criticised him for that, but, as always, you excuse your own side. There are words to describe that kind of behaviour on a discussion forum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,375 ✭✭✭jmcc


    McGuinness was a good politician and took the opportunity. The people who used the fake tweet without verifying it were not SF. The Sindo did some good reporting on this. They did not have their RTE contracts renewed and one, I think, left RTE before his contract was up for renewal. There were enquiries into what happened and the BAI found that Gallagher's rights had been infringed. Gallagher took legal action against RTE and RTE settled rather than allow the case to proceed. Without that fake tweet, Higgins would have lost to Gallagher who was polling at 40% days before the Frontline show.

    The panels for controversial topics like Immigration have always been stacked with pro-immigration panelists. If you don't realise this then you really haven't a clue about how the Irish media works to manufacture "consensus". It had been said that the relationship between journalists and politicians should be like that between a dog and a lamppost. The problem is that in Ireland, some journalists identify too closely with the politicians. They even get hired by them. You have a very naive view on the Irish media. Good journalism, such as the Gavin debt story are the exception rather than the rule. As for US journalism, it is a big market and it has some of the best and worst journalism. Reagan's administration bears a lot of the blame for its shift away from balanced reporting to infotainment. Newspapers there often publically endorse candidates whereas in Ireland it is not obvious to the typical reader.

    Post edited by jmcc on

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,743 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,504 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    No, Connolly has taken down the video. Probably to avoid rants from mis-informed people.

    There is no confirmation anywhere that this was 'unauthorised use'.

    You claimed there were rules - where are they?

    Fair Use and Stock footage DO NOT require permission from individual people in it for every use of that footage. Look it up.

    P.S.
    Here is what I said about your favoured candidates video:

    I see Gavin had to take down another video this morning.

    I think Jim has a bit more troubling him today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,504 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Yes, there would be that suspicion. Maybe somebody will follow it up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,188 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Spin. She had to take down the video because of unauthorised usage.

    I mean, if it was only a few rants from mis-informed people and cranks like me, she wouldn't have bothered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,504 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    She had to take down the video because of unauthorised usage.

    Can you even point to back up for this, saying as we are not going to be directed to The Rules you said exist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,451 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    What rule requires 'authorisation' before using any image of the President in a campaign video?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,451 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Why did the whistleblower sit on the story for seven years?

    You'd think such an urgent and important matter would have been flagged up straight away.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,451 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




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