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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,689 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Haha I don't agree with them so THEY are wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,689 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    There is plenty for the IDF to be ashamed of. Murder, rape and war crimes. They are the same as Hamas or maybe even worse as they murder more, especially children and pregnant women.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 867 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    More anti-Israel nonsense.

    What are these seven wars that Israel is fighting?

    They are being attacked by numerous terrorist organisations in numerous countries. Thankfully, they're defeating them all one by one, for the betterment of everyone in the region.

    You'll shed tears for the demise of Hamas and Hezbollah, but the people (some of them) of Lebanon and Gaza will be glad to see the back of them. The Houthi's, despite the support they get from the Irish left-wing loonies, are too busy decimating their own people to ever be a real factor, and the regime in Iran grows more antiquated by the day.

    Israel, however, remains. Stronger than ever.

    Only a true antisemite would suggest that Jews prefer fighting wars to peace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 867 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    I'm argueing with a man/woman who approves of Hamas war crimes.

    Holding Israeli hostages is a war crime.

    You consistantly defend Hamas motives for holding those hostages.

    You can perform a perfunctory condemnation of Hamas every so often to maintain a veneer of impartiality, but the reality is that you support Hamas right to commit war crimes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,689 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Some real dangerous looking pro-Palestine protesters here Sheepy. Put on your helmet before you click on this.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2025/1004/1536839-palestine-protest-london/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,562 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I dont know about Jews, but Likud certainly seem to. Why are you trying to portray this government as peaceful and innocent? I am sure you agree The Likud charter is every bit as genocidal as Hamas's is.

    Also you know full well what's going on in the West Bank. You also know this government stuck two fingers up to the ICJ when it ruled Israel was an illegal occupier in the West Bank and should leave. I suppose that's another flawed opinion because you simply don't like the finding.

    Post edited by nacho libre on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,725 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    What they mean is , they support genocide when they think Israel is doing it but support Palestine and Hamas when their stated goals is the genocide of the Jewish people.

    Then they'll sing their catchy song calling for an intafada and confirming their support of wiping out the Jewish people and removing them from their land



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 11,242 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    Im finding it very hard to take the whole anti-semitism thing seriously since the start of this war.

    Anyone that disagrees with Israel and its views / actions is now an anti-semite.

    Anyone thats against the Genociding of innocent civilians in Palestine is now an anti-semite.

    You are one of these people on this thread that automatically calls posters out as being an anti-semite when they dont agree with your posts or opinions.

    Your go-to answer is that the poster thats disagreeing with you is an anti-semite.

    Its getting a bit tiring now listening to you - can you not discuss these issues without jumping to "youre an anti-semite"??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    It is highly ironic how you put Hamas support on me, when I have absolutely no problem criticizing and denigrating them, yet you can do no such thing towards the IDF for their killing of 20000 thousand children. So what can we deduce you support??

    The genuine belief I still hold about the hostages (which was backed up by allegations from a UK conservative politician and an aid v close to Netenyahu) - is a reflection on the genocide Israel is committing on Gazans, not support of terrorists. You said I agree with Hamas motives for holding hostages - I don't believe my well founded fears are inline with the motives of Hamas (who we all agree care little for Gazans).

    I have no doubt that Israel, as they have threatened in the "peace plan", have it in them to completely wipe out the Gazans. And what is happening now? Hamas have agreed to surrender, yet the bombs are still reigning down. Why?

    Mass bombing of civilians, mass starvation as a weapon of war, the flattening of a city of 2 million people. Almost all relevant organizations across the humanitarian, academic and international law spectrum are telling us what this is, as if there were any doubt.

    The ICJ ordered Israel to obey terms (posted earlier), even you couldn't pretend they have abided by any, yet you have the arrogance to say all these institutions are wrong.

    You need to properly acknowledge and explain how all these various groups could possibly be, independent of each other, making such flawed claims about Israel if you want to continue to engage in the bullsh*t Hamas supporter claims/ wHaT aBoUt mYaNmAr/ what about the emperor of Japan / you just hate Jews/ Ireland the most antisemetic country in the world horsehsit you baselessly spew onto this thread.

    If you can't address this cogently, you are just another genocide denier/ supporter slandering people to keep it all going.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,041 ✭✭✭circadian


    I view it in the same way people use woke, it's just something they don't like so they'll give it a name. Only this time, it's watering down an important distinction.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,485 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I'm quoting your own boss Netanyahu in his speech to the UN this week :

    "And in the middle of a seven front war. Why? Because we're winning the war and people think that there's a great future in Israel”.

    According to him, the fronts are Iran, Gaza, Lebanon, Yemen and groups in Syria, Iraq and the West Bank.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    I remember when antisemite used to mean a person who hates Jewish people.

    Nowadays, and evident in this very thread, it means a person genocide deniers and enablers don't like.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,637 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Are you OK with the IDF dropping grenades onto UNFIL soldiers, including the Irish peacekeepers?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,637 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    You should copy and paste this post and post it if to the ICJ.

    I'm sure they'd immediately nullify the case…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    .. worth noting, bombs still dropping on Gaza, despite Trump's requests after Hamas agreement to the "peace deal", and release of hostages. Coincidentally , Ben Gvir said he would leave government if the bombs stop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,637 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    You're really off your trolley if you think that poster in particular or any posters in general support Hamas in any way.

    That you directly target and lambast a poster who certainly does not approve of anyone committing war crimes is very telling.

    That you constantly throw out the antisemite accusation is also very telling.

    You posts simply come across as fully supportive of a genocidal regime regardless of any facts to the contrary. You simply respond with anger, lies, slander and libel to anyone that posts the corroborated counter view. You've even accused every flotilla participant of being paid by terrorists.

    Why are you so angry?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    If there is any slight let-up in the Gaza genocide then Israel will increase their attacks on the other six fronts. Never a moment's rest when there is another opportunity for more terror and murder to be committed by Israel.

    What will be interesting in the next week is when will food and medical aid be allowed into the Gaza strip?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,562 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Also i wonder did Ceadaoin and Sheepysheep condemn people protesting and focusing on the Ukraine war back in 2022. I mean what about the war in Eriteria at the time. Why were they only focusing on the Ukraine war. Clearly they must have been Russian phobes who dont really care about war crimes at all it was just an excuse to bash Russia. I propose from now on before we condemn any nation we must also state our condemnation of every other conflict going on at the same to make it clear we are not biased



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Well, it's the old adage of extremists everywhere - when you can't argue your pov using facts, logic, or reality - just make up some bullsh*t.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,969 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Nice to see the pro genocide lobby group re-appear.

    How anyone can continue to defend Israel's actions and deny famine and genocide is mind boggling.

    Anyone calling out the genocide is apparently anti-semitic. I wonder then if it's the case that genocide deniers just don't like muslims.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,006 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    A lesson for Irish politicians from a man who tells women he can increase the size of their breasts by hypnotherapy,

    Yeah sounds like exactly the sort of people Irish politicians need to listen to. We definitely don’t have enough scammers in the Dáil yet.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,324 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Sounds very much like Netanyahu is changing the terms of the deal he agreed a week ago as today's imposed deadline gets closer.

    EDIT -Sounds true unsurprisingly.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,196 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Hamas and the Palestinians are responsible for making sure they meet the deal and demands of Israel here. They either want to end the destruction or they don’t. Releasing of hostages is absolutely essential.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,399 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    The scumbags will keep changing their ultimatum until it becomes absolutely impossible to fulfill by anyone. It isn't in any way a serious attempt at a peaceful settlement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,643 ✭✭✭dePeatrick




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,324 ✭✭✭brickster69


    So predictable aren't they ? Two years to take a city defended by a 20K millitia, achieved nothing apart from turning the country into a leper state while murdering tens of thousands of people in the process with no end in sight.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,485 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    This may well happen / very likely to, but risks seriously angering Trump. Trump is dead set on a Palestinian peace deal but Netanyahu messing him around and making a show of him could mean him throwing Israel overboard.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    In the latest plan, there are absolutely no guarantees that aid will be allowed into Gaza, that control will be ceded by Israel, that Israel will pull back or that Gaza will be rebuilt. Instead, if Palestinians give up their claims for accountability for Israel’s war crimes, we may get a vague “pathway to self-determination and statehood”. Not a state – a “pathway”. How generous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    The World has to stop Israel, they behave exactly as what they are, wild animals.

    Turkish journalist Ersin Celik, one of those detained, told TRT World that Israeli soldiers "dragged Greta Thunberg on the ground" and "forced her to kiss the Israeli flag".



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,725 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    I've never seen a genocide where the so called aggressor has notified the populace of its intention to target an area and told them to leave the area.

    Can you name one?



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