Israel/Palestine Thread

He was on Piers Morgan a few weeks back. I dont know,but that' s what he said but when he realised what he said he tried to row back on it.

Apart form the Dunnes Stores workers, was it really a big thing?

Where were the Irish marches for Sudan, Yemen, the Rohinga?

It's only the Jews that ever got us on the streets. That's the simple fact.

A UN international comission of Inquiry has found Israel has committed genocide, fulfilling 4 of the 5 acts of the genocide convention.

A UN special committee found Israel actions as consistent with the characteristics of genocode

The UN human rights council said there are reasonable ground to believe a genocide is being committed.

The ICJ found a plausible risk that Israel is committing genocide and ordered Israel to:

• * Take all measures within its power to prevent acts of genocide (which includes killing, serious bodily or mental harm, inflicting conditions calculated to bring about physical destruction, and preventing births). Since that order, Gaza has been flattened, food blockaded, famine declared, people shot whilst queuing for aid, and on and on.

• * Prevent and punish incitement to genocide (how many politicians have been punished for this? Smotrich, Gvir etc etc?)

• * Allow humanitarian aid into Gaza - This includes ensuring crossings are open and operating, and enabling aid access without undue obstacles. They patently have not done this, the very opposite. Food blockaded, all crossing closer, famine in Gaza.

When you say thousands of organisations havent declare it genocide, who do you mean? Like Microsoft? Kingspan? McDonalds?

Virtually all reputable independant international bodies with expertise in this area have declared it. Some who havent have listed systematic warcrimes and ethnic cleansing.

I have given a sample list here enough ,it's in bold above in case you missed it.

Is you argument that they are all lying?

Are you sure - maybe - you are in too deep and can't backtrack?

Making things up again.

It's a fact the IDF was borne from these groups, is it not? Be consistent condemn all forms of terrorism , you rightly condemn hamas but go out of your way to defend Israeli state terrorism

Why aren't you defending these genocides aswell?

It is my opinion that they are giving flawed opinions.

You do realise that there are opposing views.

For instance, those on the flotilla will confidently state that what Israel did in arresting them was illegal. That opinion is echoed across all anti-israel socail media. A marine law expert in the Examiner today, however, had a different opinion, mainly, that maritmime law is complicated.

So is proving genocide.

Sure. Maybe, though, they're not protesting the Sudan or Rohinga or war in Yemen because they have no bloody interest?

I've never deen such venom in public protest in Ireland. I don't believe for a second it's all about sanctions.

If that were the case, you think the protests would did down once BDS was passed.

They're marching against Israel, not the goverment, although there is overlap.

And you are drawing a false conclusion by implying that a state body can't be guilty of terrorism, therefore anything they do is legitimate , this is not so. You effectively use the word equivalency to give them carte blanche to do what they want. The fact is things like collective punishment of civilians is a classic example of state terrorism. The IDF for years had this as an official doctrine. Tell me how many IDF soliders have been jailed for murdering civilians in the last twenty years. We know from the account of ex soliders they felt they had immunity to do as they pleased in combat. Some soldiers even laughed about shooting civilians in the back.

Do you think they have given flawed opinions in other cases where states were accused of Genocide?

If the ICJ find Israel guilty of Genocide. Will the finding be flawed because the judges could only be anti semitic to reach such a conclusion?

I'm confident that they won't be found guilty.

You don't need to be a 'Genocide scholar', whatever that actually is, to be able to read a Genocide definition, and weigh the accusation of genocide against the defence that all those 5 genocide markers simply occured as a natural consequence of war.

Multiple war crimes does not equal Genocide.

Ben Gvir talking smack does not equal intent.

You have to be able to show an actual intention and cordinated plan to wipe out a nation 'in whole or in part'.

The type of piecemeal killing going on daily in Gaza does not fit the description. This type of killing goes on in every war.

And if they are found guilty you will just state it's a flawed opinion anyway. If they are found not guilty you'll say you were vindicated. Its a win -win for you either way. I will trust the opinion of various independent experts who have concluded it's genocide over the opinion of someone who is clearly biased due to having lived in Israel. I am confident Israel will be found guilty if there is no political interference due to the fact they have shown clear intent to destroy at least in part the Palestinian population. How else to explain deliberately witholding aid for three months. Also destroying 86 per cent of Agricultural land and deliberatley shooting people who tried to fish in the sea

Will the pro Israelis condemn this?

https://news.sky.com/story/guns-cash-and-american-aid-investigation-reveals-israels-support-for-gaza-militia-13442260?utm_campaign=feed&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=later-linkinbio

Is it ok to support Isis linked gangs who steal aid when it advances an Israeli government aim. It seems to be a recurring theme with Bibi to support Islamists when it suits him.

Wait, so the protests are about sanctions now? I thought it was about "free palestine", "ending the genocide" (despite a ceasefire plan being accepted, the protests are still taking place though?) "Globalising the intifada" (aka murdering jews) and ending Israel as a state (from the river to the sea etc)? I've never seen any signs calling for sanctions?

People could protest and call for the same things for Sudan or yemen, but they dont. They could call for an end to the actual openly planned genocide of Christians that is taking place in Nigeria, but they dont. No jews, no news.

Why aren't you defending those genocides too? At least be consistent