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Dun Laoghaire Traffic & Commuting Chat

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭Homesick Alien


    For option 3 when they say "all parking in front of shops" I think they mean the parking against the footpath but not the parking on the roadside. So they'd make the footpath wider by taking away the parking right outside the shop but retain the parking on the other side of the slip road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,723 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Yes.

    All of the schemes under discussion here, apart from the Deansgrange proposal just announced, were approved by the Council whose term ended in June 2024.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,452 ✭✭✭Blut2


    Yes. If you know anything about the operations of DLRCOCO over the last decade you'd know it was the Greens pushing all of these expensive road alterations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,199 ✭✭✭nomdeboardie


    The thing is, it then says “NOTE: No accessible parking provision in this option”, and looking at the next 2 pages for that option (different style of graphics an then annotated photo) seems to confirm all parking gone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,647 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Apparently the greens are the best party in the country. They seem

    To be giving the credit for everything



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,214 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    They never held a majority of seats - these projects have been backed by some or all of the other parties too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,452 ✭✭✭Blut2


    Nobody in this thread has ever claimed they held a majority of seats.

    The point being made is that the DLR Green councillors were responsible for pushing for most of these road changes. Which is verifiably true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,370 ✭✭✭Dublin Calling


    It is actually the permanent government AKA the DLR Coco staff that push the majority of the alterations to transport infrastructure. Owen Keegan taught them well, when he was in charge!

    You can watch the Coco meetings online. A prime example is putting a fully segregated bicycle lane in at the Goat Pub junction. (Goatstown, Taney Road and yet to be implemented.)

    The councillors were given the option of which road to put the bicycle lane on, removing a car lane. Reports from traffic experts were provided for both options. Both are going to reduce the traffic handling capacity of the junction, increasing waiting times. The councillors had to vote on option A or option B. There was no option C, to leave the junction as is. It was madding to watch, they were going through drawings and statistics. Arguing over points as they tried to pick the option with the least impact on traffic, and not once was doing nothing mentioned.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,723 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Don't be obtuse Ted.

    You know full well that the tail wagged the dog in the previous government. All the Covid free-for-alls with dangerous experimental cycle measures, and stupid wasteful schemes like the Pathfinder Programme were all at Eamon Ryan's behest in Transport.

    Of course the same eejit never saw one new metre of light or heavy rail constructed at the stroke of his pen, so he can wear that failure as well.

    The voters saw all of that failure and drift, and thats why they got walloped at the ballot box.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭Homesick Alien


    "Dangerous experimental cycle measures" - what are you referring to here?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭Glencarraig


    "The design might be s**t and the waste of money egregious, but thats not the contractor's fault, and Clonmel do good quality civils work, in fairness, and their worksite foremen are helpful and courteous"

    Could be worse…….the might have given the contract to BAM !!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,723 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Thankfully BAM aren't into small fry work!

    Ted, I could take you back over 25 years of would-be cycle and traffic calming measures by DLR Council that had to be done and re-done either in whole or part at great expense because they were bodged or dangerous or unclear or ineffective. They have been well rehearsed on these pages.

    Killiney Towers Roundabout, Avondale Road, Mount Merrion traffic calming, The Metals shared route, Upper Kilmacud Road cycle priority, the Coastal Mobility Route, Newtown Avenue, Rock Road, Carysfort Avenue, Stillorgan Park, Sandyford Industrial Estate internal roads, Ballinteer Road and the Slang River route, N11 QBC and cycleways, Johnstown Road, Wyattville Road, and on and on.

    All have had to be revisited or made safe to a greater or lesser extent. Who the hell do you think picks up the feckin tab for that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,647 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    so the Green Party did all that work??? They really are the hardest working party out there.

    Is it not council engineers and city planners who are charged with turning ideas into viable projects.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,199 ✭✭✭nomdeboardie


    I’m curious about the history of The Metals re cycling, but it’s not easy to search boards for this, especially after the platform switch. I’ve gone along it a few times over the past few years and it’s simple shared-use format makes it pretty useless for cyclists if there are more than a few walkers present.

    Newtown Avenue contraflow – I assume that’s belatedly putting in the bike symbol and signage for the main carriageway to make drivers aware cyclists should still be using the road to go north



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,092 ✭✭✭BKtje


    I assume that in recent years (i've moved abroad) that its usage has increased? When I used the metals to cycle to school years ago it was rare to cross another cyclist (let alone a pedestrian) and plenty of places where you needed to navigate obstacles. Over 30 years ago though so I imagine a lot has changed since then. Sorry for the trek down memory lane 😅



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭Glencarraig


    "Thankfully BAM aren't into small fry work"!

    They might be grateful for "small fry work" after the shitshow of the new hospital. cant see them having much luck with big project tenders in the future !!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,647 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    you’d be surprised.
    as long as they tender competitively and submit a good methodology they’ll be fine.

    They are known to legally challenge tenders where they were unsuccessful.

    With government tenders. The evaluating criteria has to be above board. And the children’s hospital won’t affect them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,718 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    Looks live the new Greenway for Cabinteely is getting some momentum... I'm feeling good about it. Might take some traffic off the roads in the area...

    https://m.independent.ie/regionals/dublin/dublin-news/new-23km-greenway-planned-connecting-cornelscourt-to-cherrywood/a1130794235.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭Homesick Alien


    In the link it looks like a 23km route! Now that would be impressive!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    And the upgrade of the side road between Cherrywood and Loughlinstown Hospital is also being started on this month



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭Homesick Alien


    Most of those have nothing to do with the "Covid free for all" you reference in your post.

    While it might be annoying to have works redone, I'd prefer to see that based on actual user experience they are willing to revisit a scheme rather than saying tough s***, that'll have to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,199 ✭✭✭nomdeboardie


    Hmm. (So if there was a consultation for this (again) last year, I missed it.) Graphic show both shared and parallel cycle-pedestrian setup - I'm not a fan of the former!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,214 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    What exactly had to be redone in the case of The Metals and the Ballinteer Road / Slang River route?

    I’m struggling to think of anything major tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,199 ✭✭✭nomdeboardie


    ..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,199 ✭✭✭nomdeboardie


    I'm unclear about how they envision cyclists coming north from Bray, up the Dublin Road (who I would imagine as the bulk of potential users) will access this? By walking over the pedestrian bridge? I think they're implying the roundabout will be signalised at some point?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,647 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    You missed a decimal point



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    For now it seems so yes, but the longer term plan (phase 2) is to link to Falls Road & Stonebridge Road. There is also the existing 2-way cycle track linking to Wyatville road on the Loughlinstown side of the Road.

    (Blue: phase 1, Red: Phase 2).

    Screenshot_20251006-110752~2.png


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,199 ✭✭✭nomdeboardie


    Thanks. Yes, the N11 2-way is fine, but ending at Wyatville, forces cyclists continuing north to go across the overpass and through another set of lights to the other side of the dual carriageway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,199 ✭✭✭nomdeboardie


    Coming back to this again - I just looked at the lates update from a few days ago at https://www.dlrcoco.ie/environment-climate-change/active-travel/dun-laoghaire-central , which includes…

    3. Early Warning Items:

    Stop/Go traffic management will be in place at Honeypark Junction during the week commencing 13 October.

    Major road resurfacing of Honeypark Junction and Kill Avenue will commence in November.

     

    4. Other:

    Next update: Friday, 17 October 2025.

    God help us



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,723 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    You'd prefer to see anything that just doesn't agree with me.

    And of course they don't cover just the period over Covid, the clue is in the statement that I was referencing a history of 25 years.

    On the people referencing BAM, they won the tender to build the half billion Euro M28 (Cork (N40) to Ringaskiddy Port) Motorway in May. One of several granted since the Hospital broke ground.



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