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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Site Banned Posts: 4,164 ✭✭✭Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire


    Trump and Israel and their airy fairy nothing deal. Now the former threatening 'all hell'. You don't make peace by threatening hell.

    So predictable. In 50 years time Trump and Netanyahu will be mentioned with Hitler, Stalin, Idi Amin and co. They're entering that level of evil. Netanyahu has been there for a while. But that spinless, narcissistic, man child Trump is there now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,637 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Apparently, the Manchester attack is "a pivotal juncture in Britain's history" - hyperbole much Mr. Sa'ar?

    And as for Amichai Chikli, seems he cancelled a planned trip to the European Parliament in Brussels in January 2025 amid legal action initiated by the Hind Rajab Foundation. The Israeli Prime Minister’s Office cited “specific security warnings” and advice from security agencies as the reason. Chikli claimed Brussels had become “unsafe for Jews and Israelis.” However, the HRF accused him of evading accountability, asserting the cancellation aimed to avoid potential arrest over alleged war crimes, not genuine safety concerns. Belgian authorities noted Chikli lacked diplomatic immunity as his visit was unofficial and he risked the possibility of arrest.

    Israeli Foreign Minister Gideon Sa'ar spoke with British Foreign Secretary Yvette Cooper, calling the attack "a pivotal juncture in Britain's history" and urging vigorous action against pro-Palestinian demonstrations with "antisemitic overtones."

    Several Netanyahu cabinet ministers blamed the British government for the attack, linking it to what they called "antisemitic" measures such as the recent diplomatic recognition of Palestine. Diaspora Affairs Minister Amichai Chikli said Starmer's "hollow proclamations for a Palestinian terror state, directly enabled this atrocity," adding: "I pray the British people rise like lions…purge their nation of radical Islamism."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,637 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Seems there are plenty of Israelis and Jews protesting - I wonder if those on here will condemn those protests? Or are the condemnations only for non-Israeli or non-Jewish protests?

    Dozens of Israeli pro-Palestinian activists protested at the Gaza border on Friday, with several attempting to enter on foot. At least three were detained The activists called their action a "land-based echo" of the Gaza flotilla." One protester told Haaretz that soldiers violently pushed demonstrators, dragged those sitting and confiscated signs and a megaphone.

    More than 1,500 Jewish community members gathered in front of Brooklyn Borough Hall for a mass public memorial service on Yom Kippur, calling for an end to what they termed Israel's genocide in Gaza and an end to U.S. arms shipments to Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,637 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    In my opinion, Netanyahu, Herzog, Smotrich and Ben-Gvir eclipse that level of evil.

    Hopefully, Justice will be properly served and we'll get a 21st Century version of the Nuremberg Trials.

    They should all rot in a cell in The Hague.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,324 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Regardless of who attacked or what religion the people who were killed were, if the people in charge prioritised taking people off the streets instead of locking people for saying stuff on the internet or arresting blind people for protesting people being starved to death it might not happen at all. Nothing to do with race or religion just common sense.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,606 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Well you don't have to be an 'Israeli supporter' to see that Israel's going to intercept this flotilla and ship the protestors back to where they came from.

    How that's going to influence general public opinion is puzzling.

    I'm not saying they should stop pretesting, just that they should put themselves more in peril or think of a way that will influence a wider audience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,126 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    What are they going to do? Start bombing the cemeteries?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,637 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Israel's going to intercept this flotilla and ship the protestors back to where they came from

    You've answered you're own question I think. The general public aren't stupid - Israel taking hostages on the high seas shows them for what they are - a State that is totally out of control.

    That's why Israel is demonstrably a World Pariah.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,126 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    The supposed “deal” has always just been cover for Israel’s continued genocide. They are literally bulldozing the buildings in Gaza city that they haven’t already demolished by bombing.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,324 ✭✭✭brickster69


    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,606 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    If you're living in an activist bubble I can see how some one would see it that way but I'm talking about your average punter who has to work for a living. They're not going to get motivated by some people sailing to Gaza being intercepted and flying home a week later.

    Winter is coming and the eastern Mediterranean won't be so safe Israel or no Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,689 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,637 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    What does that even mean? "living in an activist bubble"?

    Perhaps you're missing the point - there are plenty of people supporting the flotilla simply for what they stand for - the rejection of Genocide and the State that is warmongering.

    But if your "average punter" won't get motivated at this point, perhaps they'd be minded to read Pastor Martin Niemöller:

    "First they came for the Socialists and I did not speak out because I
    was not a socialist."

    Winter or no, Gaza will not be safe until Israel leaves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,689 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I heard that there was one this morning in Gaza but your friends bombed and shot them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,606 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    "What does that even mean? "living in an activist bubble"?"

    It mean's people who are permanently preoccupied by the plight of the Palestinian people. The vast majority, even in Ireland, while sympathetic have other more local issues to concern them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,268 ✭✭✭0ph0rce0


    I see that scumbag Ben Gvir all over social media walking around like the dogs bollocks. Remember when he celebrated and defended the killing of an 18 month old baby. Horrible ****.

    I can't wait for the US to turn on these pricks. IT'S COMING



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,689 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Ah you got there eventually. Are you against passing the OTB too ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,637 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I suppose a lot of people do have a lot of negatives or positives in their life that preoccupies them to the exclusion of all else.

    I's say the majority of people do have a bit of room to contemplate what is going on in the world and having their say about it.

    In fairness, here I am on on a an Irish bulletin board giving out yards about Israel and supporting those who give out about Israel. There are others who spar and fight and give out about Hamas and Palestinian supporters. What are we achieving? Personally, if I can educate myself about precisely what this conflict is all about and why it matters (at least to me) then that's good enough. If I can educate others, even better. By being informed, one can make better judgements and decisions.

    I don't know which side of the fence, if any, you sit on. But here you are. Clearly you're not preoccupied with life's other miseries/joys and have found the time to engage in some discourse about a topic you have some interest in. And that's not a bad thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,606 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    You have a problem with debating the message so you try trolling the messenger.

    Not going to fall for it. You're on ignore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,689 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,637 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    If the police have killed someone, yes, there'll be some kind of enquiry.

    I mean, the UK isn't Israel - in Israel, the IDF can go ahead and execute 15 medics and bury them in the sand without a word said against them. And lads can anally rape a prisoner with an iron bar and when the police arrive to arrest them, their IDF mates will send the cops packing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,606 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    I never said they were excluding anything but otherwise I'm reasonably in agreement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,661 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Your obsessed with bringing up the anal rape. One of the IDF handed Greta a hoodie the absolute bloodthirsty sexual deviant monster!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,637 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I was waxing lyrical… I think you mentioned people being preoccupied by the plight of the Palestinians (the one's in the activist bubble). I suppose there are others preoccupied with everything but the plight of the Palestinians (there's plenty to choose from - success, failure, money, Trump, illness, dodgy websites etc). Then there's everyone else - neither ignoring nor preoccupied with the Palestinians.

    I'd at least applaud those activists who feel compelled enough to get on a boat and risk their lives for the lives of others. I wouldn't do it myself though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,195 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 423 ✭✭tarvis


    What planet is the US president on?
    All hell has been breaking over Gaza for almost 2 years now - no amount of Hectoring from Trump will make a scrap of difference.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,195 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,689 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I see that the IDF exploded 2 grenades near the Irish peacekeepers in Lebanon today. Real gentlemen indeed.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2025/1003/1536742-unifil-irish/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,661 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    "Risking their lives" comical. No one one the flotilla died or was threatened outside of paranoia.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,324 ✭✭✭brickster69


    No action from FIFA, they don't get involved in geopolitical issues, except -

    FIFA banned Germany and Japan in 1950 because of their WW2 actions

    FIFA banned South Africa from 1976 to 1991 due to its apartheid policies

    FIFA banned Russia in 2022 due to invasion of Ukraine

    2025 Israel conducts a live streamed extermination and starvation FIFA - Crickets

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



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