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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,596 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    A decent assessment of CC-while I know I’ve been “roasted” for criticising her appearance - it was never motivated by some sexist or agist agenda - it was precisely the reasons you’ve outlined above - not only is she not straying from her narrow set of subjects that have meaning to her and her dedicated followers, she’s not for moving on anything that might make voters towards the centre to right of centre to consider her as a candidate worth voting for.

    With all of the work and effort participating in a president election takes, I would have thought the purpose of these few weeks was to expand her appeal across the political spectrum - it seems to me a complete waste of time to expend all this effort whilst risking coming a very close second - does she want the presidency or not?

    I see her as a “my way or the highway” sort of candidate- that’s not a quality I want in the next President of Ireland



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,765 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Respectfully, that is your opinion, not a fact. She hasn't been in trouble with the law since her release in 2018, which would suggest to most people that she was rehabilitated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 680 ✭✭✭rdwight


    It's more than that. I think your reasoning is faulty.

    You are arguing that because Ní Shionnáin apparently rehabilitated herself working for the Meath Gaeltacht etc., then CC and EOC were correct in judging she was a suitable person to work in the Dáil.

    Nobody here has argued that Ní Shionnáin wasn't capable of rehabilitation (it would be impertinent since we don't know her). They are arguing that being placed in the Dáil while on early release for serious criminal offences inspired by political beliefs was a risk and showed poor judgement by CC and EOC.

    It was security risk because of her recent criminal and subversive associations and also possibly a risk to her rehabilitation because a febrile political arena might not have been the place for someone of her susceptibilities.

    We don't know how CC and EOC's risk would have played out because it wasn't tested since Ní Shionnáin was only in the Dáil a short while.

    As I posted before: a bank is not the best first employment for a recently released embezzler or bank robber.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,832 ✭✭✭almostover


    Care to explain why? Want to address any of the points or evidence in my post?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,564 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You either believe in rehabilitation or you don't.
    People have to make judgements and assessments in rehabilitation processes all the time. Nothing unusual about that.

    Second guessing them at 7 years remove and not having met or monitored the person, is valueless tbh.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,467 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Or she may have just concluded that illegal activity on behalf of small radical organisations is a mug's game with a high likelihood of being compromised by informers or Garda surveillance. She would have been right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,657 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    If that's a problem for someone then they're just as bigoted as the Orange Order are.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 680 ✭✭✭rdwight


    Saying CC's and EOC's judgement has been vindicated is valueless since it was never tested



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,467 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Whatever happened to Wolfe Tone's United Ireland comprising Catholic, Protestant and Dissenter?

    HH is a 'dissenter' for those who don't know what it means.

    All aboard the bus for Bodenstown.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,564 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    This is an interesting analysis of the IT's reporting. I saw the tweet looking for McGee to correct what he said.
    I didn't know it had been quietly changed.
    The Journal too have questions to answer on how they initially framed the story.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,657 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Yes. I know that many supposedly "rehabilitated" sex offenders went on to rape many more kids.

    I also know that Shannon was not rehabilitated when Connolly employed her. She had not yet completed her sentence. That's not a sufficient step, but it is a necessary one.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,564 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    All those two had to do was assist her rehabilitation and they did.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,657 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    20:20 hindsight again. But in 2023 she described herself as a "political prisoner" so…

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 44,276 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Mod: Her husband is not a member of the OO. At this point, I'm going to assume this is an attempt at trolling so consider it as a final warning.

    Husband of Heather Humphreys was member of Orange Order during troubles

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,783 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Im sure the gardai have enemy of the state files on her like they do on all paramilitaries



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,564 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I also know that Shannon was not rehabilitated when Connolly employed her. She had not yet completed her sentence. That's not a sufficient step, but it is a necessary one.

    That's not Connolly's problem.
    That's a problem for those running the Prisoners Committee (the Government) set up to assess these things and to get people rehabilitated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,832 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Its all rather baffling.

    I would wonder what justification can be given for remaining 'On Brand' within the Connolly Campaign? Does she think that pivoting to less contentious topics, will lose support in the base? That would be absurd, as her base are squarly in the bag, and are going to vote for CC no matter what. The trouble for CC, is that they may be the only ones who do vote for her on election day.

    I think the Connolly candidacy, and the support she received from the Left Wing groups, just feeds into the idea of this Presidential election lacking importance and being mismanaged. And the election not being seen as crucial to the mainstream political parties in Ireland. This could also go a fair distance in highlighting Fianna Fails bizarre decision to back Jim Gavin.

    When Fine Gael had Mairead McGuinness as their preumptive nominee, it may have seemed like a lost cause to FF, SF, and all of the rest combined. Then all of a sudden, mid August, McGuinness backs out completely - And the priorities shift for all concerned. But just in the way Steen didnt give herself enough time to get nominated as an independent, the big parties were also on the clock.

    Fianna Fail decided to go down the celebrity pathway, but clearly backed the wrong horse. If McGuinness had stayed in, I honestly believe that FF wouldnt have bothered nominating a candidate. But with little time remaining, they decided to 'think outside the box', resulting in this obvious fumble.

    Again, considering the lack of time, Sinn Fein decided the safest course was to 'fall in' with the rest of the left wing groups, and back Catherine Connolly. Without fully analyzing how bad it could be, to back a radical activist as their nomination.

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,877 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    Do they have any point of difference in their campaign or what they stand for? Have they said anything critical about each other even once?

    Parties often run multiple candidates as demographic sweepers in elections even if there's only one realistic seat available. It's not by coincidence that Humphreys (rural / woman / political) and Gavin (urban / man / non-political) happen to appeal to very different geographic and demographic sections of the FF/FG support and will ultimately bring out more of their base, transfer heavily to each other and make it easier for one of them to win.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,783 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Subversive activities are not the same as robbing a sweetshop, its not unusual for paramilitaries to become spies



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Good article, the IT pol corrs are utterly disingenuous, Harry and Pat were well trained by Collins. They are so wedded to the 'centre/centre right' if you dare stray from that righteous path they'll go for you.

    The twisting of the Germany issue is particularly bad, but the fact that her statement about the US being an imperial power was turned into a 'controversy' demonstrates borderline revisionism by the media.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,832 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Her Statement on The US being an 'Imperial Power' was factually inaccurate.

    Her statements on Germany, required no twisting by the media, or by other political factions. They are factually inaccurate, bordering on embarassing.

    I have posted several times, debunking the above - i have invited anyone who wishes to do so, to debate the hows and the whys on these issues. Thus far, all that has happened, is that points I have made were ignored by CC supporters.

    Said supporters then continually post about how Catherine Connolly is being smeared by the establishment, and her words are being taken out of context. Its ludicrous.

    @MFPM I am once again, inviting you to engage me on the above topics. Both of them, as you have raised these issues multiple times.

    As it stands, the below parody, is literally correct and hits the nail on the head.

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    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,467 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    The fact is there's no government candidate, there's no single FF&FG candidate. If JG wins MM will be delighted and SH disappointed and visa versa. This isn't a multi-seat election, there's only one winner.

    Facts trump opinions every time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,657 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    It very much is Connolly's problem. Especially as she was signing her into the Oireachtas every day.

    But after maintaining again and again she was rehabilitated at the time, it is quite a change of tack to seemingly now admit she was not.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,564 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Connolly got advice, sought it out on whether the person was ready for rehabilitation.

    It was given.

    If the person tasked with being on that committee was not competent to gove advice that isn’t Connolly’s problem. That’s a problem for the government



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,141 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    I think the FFG attacking CC with this will do her no harm at all, if anything it's got more traditional Republicans from both FF and SF on side.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,467 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    "That's a problem for those running the Prisoners Committee (the Government) set up to assess these things and to get people rehabilitated."

    There is no 'Prisoner's Committee', there's Prison Visiting Committees appointed by the Minister for Justice who visit prisons, hear prisoner's complaints and make annual reports.

    People like O'Cuiv or Clare Daly as elected representatives have visited individual prisoners or certain categories.

     "I do visit mainly Republican prisoners. I’ve been visiting since 1995 openly and in and around prisons and people who’ve been convicted of very serious offences. That’s something I’ve never hidden,” he said."

    The 'he' being Eamon O'Cuiv

    Government TD paid personal visit to convicted torturer Jonathan Dowdall in prison - Irish Mirror



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,877 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    The fact is there's 2 government candidates, running sweepers is the most effective way to win a single seat and a strategy used in every general election particularly in large, diverse constituencies.

    Unless Gavin or Humphreys show they're willing to be critical of each other like actual election opponents do then there's no reason to believe it isn't a combined strategy.

    Outside of a slight ego bruise I doubt Harris or Martin especially care which government candidate wins. It's a victory either way for FF/FG.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,564 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,044 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    If the polls this weekend show Connnolly in 2nd, will you admit that she is in trouble?



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