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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,475 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    "Some confusion about their status may arise due to a significant number of them jumping ship to Saoradh who have a greater whiff of cordite about them."

    They may 'have a greater whiff of cordite about them' but they were founded in 2016 four years after Éirigí member Ursula along with a few 'comrades' were arrested in possession of arms etc. apparently with the intent of aggravated burglary on a gun dealer.

    Whiffs of cordite it seems are a matter of subtle degrees.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,667 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    @expectationlost What, to you, would be acceptable proof of a person having left a subversive organisation by a particular date?

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,784 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    The person hired by Catherine is the definition of an enemy of the state



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,123 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Hmm they specifically didnt register to run Dail candidates. https://www.electoralcommission.ie/publications/register-of-political-parties/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,237 ✭✭✭Archduke Franz Ferdinand


    what happened? No experience, zero charisma, poor speaker, realisation by the public he is martins poodle/puppet



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,765 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Nope I never said that, not sure if you are being thick or if you're being disingenuous with your comments here but unless you can tell me how this has anything to do with the presidential election you really are just embarrassing yourself with this nonsense carryon

    Anybody who has gone through garda vetting knows it takes a lot longer than 2-3 weeks, I'd imagine it's a more specific garda vetting as well for leinster house



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,765 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    And to address my first question

    What is independent verification of Eirigí membership?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    On RTE Radio 1 this morning, Pat Leahy (I think ) of the Irish Times said the FF insiders say Gavin doing well in Dublin. But some FFers who backed him are regretting it.

    FG insiders saying Humphreys doing well in rural areas, not so much in Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,838 ✭✭✭almostover


    I'll now admit no such things exists. However, it should have been the responsibility of CC to ensure that Ms. Shannon was no longer a member of that organisation before hiring her. CC says she verified this, Eirigí themseleves say otherwise.

    Care to respond to any of my other points?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,771 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    This is proving a terrible election for FFG. Some people think they are undemocratic in terms of councillor votes and how the parties select candidates. Many are wondering why, despite the media pile-on, and all these murky old stories, Catherine Connolly (Independent) looks the most composed, articulate, intelligent and presidential in all interviews and debates. The two FFG candidates are boring the life out of people and look very amateur. I did think the drone story was a dirty trick too. Nobody cares.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,765 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    The exact definition of enemy of the state from google

    An enemy of the state is a person suspected of political crimes against the state, such as treason

    Which crimes against the state is she suspected of? Bearing in mind that possession of a gun isn't considered a crime against the state



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,401 ✭✭✭jmcc


    The election seems to have reached the spin city stage. Gavin and Humphreys are hardly in the news cycle. Even the Shane Ross story on RTE had to do with a column from last week's Sindo. And despite the best efforts of FF/FG, Connolly is still dominating the news cycle.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 369 ✭✭rdser


    There's an Ireland thinks poll this weekend, mainly focused on this. Completed it yesterday so a better indicator of where things are should emerge.



  • Administrators Posts: 55,627 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    "Spin city stage", says the man who is non-stop trying to convince everyone that Connolly's current coverage is all good and no matter what happens it's always bad for the FF/FG candidates instead.

    This "Dublin media" stuff does you no favours jmcc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,123 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    I wish the Irish Times was a bit clearer on their source for that. And a bit firmer on the story.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,401 ✭✭✭jmcc


    It should have been an easy win for FF with McGuinness out of the running. Instead, FF got a mini-me version of Micheal Martin. Humphreys is becoming FG's Kamala Harris candidate with a pair of wellies. She should have had far more support in that Farmer's Journal poll. The red flag issue in that poll is that Connolly is now well over the combined SocDems/PBP/Labour party support levels in what is traditionally a very strong FG demographic. The farming demographic is also a lot smaller than the rural and urban demographics. FF and FG voter apathy could result in Connolly winning. FFG needs to get their voters out.

    Post edited by jmcc on

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    The question is whether debates matter anymore. Harris won the debate with Trump and lost anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,586 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I think it is among that demographic where a lot of the annoyance that Steen was 'blocked' (whether it's true or not) lies too.
    It will be a factor as the FF FG candidates don't look like they are going to suddenly change spots and do something different to what they are doing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Its very hard to predict this election, and a lot of my analysis is based on the impression i get online, coupled with the debate performances. I wouldnt be surprised if CC comes first actually, a combination of her radical base, and a protest vote against FFG. I also would be unsurprised if Gavin comes last in the first count. It leaves Humphreys in the middle, to survive and receive transfers. Polls are needed to obtain more clarity, but with Sinn Fein preferences given to Mary Lou in the most recent poll, it wont surprise me if a big portion of this bloc moves to CC. You have to ask yourself, where else can they actually go!

    Really my order of preference is how i will vote. I should say too, that a 'Third Preference' in this election is nothing but a 'NO' vote for whoever gets it.

    Its a three horse race. Assuming no one wins outright and passes the quota on a first count, there will be a maximum of one recount. Someone will be eliminated, and if that is your 1st pref candidate, your second pref comes into play. But that is where it ends. At that point who ever has the most of the two remaining candidates, wins.

    Im probably stating the blatantly obvious, but from what people are saying, some voters havent really thought this through. Iv seen commentary elsewhere by people who are thinking of offering their third pref to someone, and that meaning something positive, as though it matters. Its probably hangover from the usual General and Local election cycles, where preferences matter hugely in a larger field.

    Yea its a weird election campaign, and the only certainty i can see is that CC will remain in the news. Its in her nature to provoke response, by steering her ship into tricky waters. And i agree Gavin, although horrendously out of his depth, would probably be a safe pair of hands. But i dont think we will ever get to that point IMHO

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,765 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Again, how would CC or EOC have ensured that she was no longer an Eirigí member?

    I would sooner trust a FG politician who says the NCH will be built on time and under budget before I believe anything that Eirigí say. This, I assume, is a feeling felt by many, including yourself, hence the need for independent verification. I've never been an Eirigí member but if they did keep detailed accounts I'm not sure I'd trust them. That should cover your first point

    In the case of working in our national parliament the rules state that an employee can be signed in by an elected representative. The reason for such high security at your place of work likely has more to do with flammable materials potentially being weaponised and company secrets getting out. Leinster house doesn't have quite the same security risks. To be very clear, the person in question was jailed for possession of a handgun previously used in a murder while parked outside the home of a firearms dealer. Nothing that I have read so far has mentioned the attempt of a violent crime until now!

    There was no attempted armed robbery charges to my knowledge but on your last point does the justice systems determination that she was rehabilitated mean less to you than say for example Michael Lowry's rehabilitation by the people of tipperary?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 711 ✭✭✭poppers


    markodaly10:45 am

    Didn't you say a sex offender is rehabilitated and poses no risk?Which is it now… because you are talking from both sides of your mouth.

    think you did post #9432:

    Of course, a rehabilitated sex offender is no more of a risk to kids than you or I… Why would anybody think otherwise?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,149 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I think the opposite. Connolly needs more middle ground if she is to have any chance.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,401 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Most voters will never meet the candidates. That means that they will get their impressions from the appearances of the candidates on the media. The continual focus of the news cycle on Connolly has effectively drowned out coverage of Gavin and Humphreys. This is the same thing that happened with the US presidential elections (especially in 2016) with the media focusing on Trump. HRC was a much better candidate than Gavin or Humphreys. It is the same dynamic even though Connolly is a complete polar opposite to Trump.

    The problem for FFG is that it cannot get positive coverage of either Gavin or Humphreys because the news cycle is completely dominated by Connolly. Brand recognition was a big problem for Connolly initially. The Tonight debate changed that. The debates will influence voters. Gavin and Humphreys only have two left to make an impact.

    I am not a Connolly supporter and am calling it as I see it. Some unaligned voters might vote simply on name recognition. The thing to watch in the Sindo/Ireland Thinks poll is the % of Don't Knows. With the candidates declared, it should be much lower.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,765 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Sex offenders are very different to rehabilitated sex offenders. The clues is in the word "rehabilitated"

    If you don't understand the word you need to buy a dictionary or maybe you can't read properly or something but you won't get the help you seek to stop embarrassing yourself here in any case

    Now are you ready to answer my question or are you going to continue to cower away from it?

    What does it have to do with the upcoming presidential election?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,586 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I see Catherine's campaign has attracted the attention of the Burke family.

    Liable to do her more good than bad I'd imagine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,765 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Just for balance, FF didn't impose a whip on their councillors to block the council nominations. I believe FG were the only one to do so

    Next Local election is 2029 and the next Presidential election is 2032 so if this is a major issue for people then they should bear that in mind when voting in 2029



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,765 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Burke asked Catherine Connolly about her feelings on his brother Enoch’s incarceration for breaching a court order that he stay away from a school in Westmeath where he was a teacher before being sacked.

    In fairness this is a straightforward enough answer. Yes he defied a court order, knowing he would be incarcerated for defying it and he still defied it. It's almost as if he asked to be put in prison. I get he was kicked out for interrupting due process but it would be no harm for CC to mention something similar to the above later on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,586 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    My youngest is a student in Galway and is actually in the video footage. He says everyone knew from experience where this was going from the off. He would not have taken an answer and left it at that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,149 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    That post seems to around in circles. Full of contradictions. Not as good as the “constitutionally challenge the constitution” post you did way back on this thread.

    The truth is if Connolly has negative news, it has to ar least plausibly look like she is unjustly attacked.
    As her debating style is passive aggressiveness. Which suits the pacifist anti “military industrial complex” ideology she has.

    But if Connolly repeatedly is shown up as naive and her judgment of character questionable. As well as no appreciation of political optics. No way will it attract the undecided voter. No amount of passive aggressiveness will turn that around.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Its a fair point, but thankfully, Ireland isnt quite as polarizaed or radical as the US - yet.

    You just have to look at the outrage surrounding the employment of the lady with the gun charge. America has long since passed the point of being outraged by anything Trump says, or does.

    I 100% agree.

    From a political point of view, i cannot see any strategy in Connolly's campaign. Who ever is running it, IMHO, doesnt know a damn thing about elections. Let me clarify what i mean

    Connollys Bloc.

    Connolly, like all politicians, has a bloc of voters which represent her base. Being very generalized we could say a few things about them, and who they are likely to be

    • Students - no question most students who are engaged in politics will fall into this catagory. This group could also be seen as being at the heart of the protest movements on many issues. Pro Palestine, Environmental concern, Left wing activism, radical anti capitalism.
    • The Traditional radical Left / Socialists - I sometimes think of these as the 'old left', but i have been left out in the cold by this group, at least on many issues. Anti American, Anti NATO, anti 'Western Imperialsm', and the bulk of the previous generations 'stop the war' movement. If you imagine the 'Joe Higgins' bloc of socialist radicals, you are probably on the right track. Im with this group on issues of domestic social concern BTW - 100%
    • The 'Anyone but FFG community' - again, probably a group close to my heart, but on issues of foreign policy, we disagree, vocally. But they wont vote for Humphreys or Gavin - period

    The above, broadly speaking, would constitute Catherine Connollys reliable base - they are in the bag, its done, she has their votes.

    If we accept this, then it begs the question - Why is she still concentrating on the topics that matter to this group?

    They are in the bag, so the obvious political strategy should be to begin appealling to more moderate voters. She should be trying to hoover up the floating voters in the center. Those disaffected by the housing crisis, and those home owners who are about to be stung by the budget. The individuals who are falling to the cracks in society, and who have suffered for years at the hands of FFG, but who frequently still vote for both Fianna Fail and Fine Gael.

    These are the people she SHOULD be targetting with her message. But she isnt doing that, she has her set talking points, and outside these she is absent. She remains comfortable in the murky waters, that appeal ONLY to her base, and on that, she will lose. Honestly, i just dont see any tactics at play at all. And i have said it before a few times; In theory she COULD pivot and appeal to a broader group of voters. But every day, i expect more of the same, and new contentious issues to be raised, which only further alienate the average moderate voter.

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



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