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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,478 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    But she hadn't left Éirigí.

    She' hadn't got security clearance and was being checked in daily by CC just like any member of the public could be by a TD.

    The only time I ever visited the Dáil was with a friend who knew MDH and he checked us both in, this was long before he was President.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,186 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    It is indeed used as a general term but wasn't used in that context in your example.

    So the question remains, if members of the party she belonged to when convicted used it were they using it as a general term ?

    In fairness to everyone including the woman clarity is called for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,150 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    In SF they say also say “comradai”.
    Depending who says “comrade” it can sound socialist, trade union like, endearing or even sinister. Let’s be honest.
    Context is everything. I remember years ago Gerry Adams at the SF AD around 2011 peppered his speech with comrade this comrade that.

    I remember because I was watching it with a foreigner. She was laughing about it and suggested it would make a great drinking game.

    The clipped tones of that Belfast accent didn’t make it sound like Gerry was going to read a bedtime story. With Bacik it sounds humorous/jarring with those rounded south Dublin vowels.

    When Republicans say “comrade” at a funeral oration it definitely takes on a different tone. The phrase “Good Republican” sounds slightly less sinister in that context than comrade. But we know what “Good Republican” means.

    As you can see I think about this type of thing.

    If Connolly says Comrade in that quiet meek Galway accent. It would sound endearing. Compare the way “the left” all jumped on the word “hypocrisy” yesterday re O’Shionnain. To my ears Connolly said it like she was going to cry. Almost in the voice of a compassionate nun. Whereas Pearse Doherty with the same word “hypocrisy” spat it out raised his voice. It had that edge.

    But whereas Connolly sounded earnest and truly believed it. Doherty sounded like he was aggressive and full of angst. I am not sure if he thought it was hypocrisy though. Really. Because if the shoe were on the other foot we know what Republicans do to spy’s in the camp. Dennis Donaldson 2006 - is an example of what happens.

    In contrast to Donaldson who is a Republican footnote 6 feet under. Shot in a cottage in Donegal. Ni Shionnain is still alive and well in Meath having a great time promoting the Irish language.

    Different approaches to security threats for sure.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,339 ✭✭✭1641


    TDs do not require security clearance to access the Dáil. They are elected representatives.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 44,288 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    It was known that she was a member. She went to prison because of her activities as a member.
    What is not known is when or why she stopped being a member. There are also claims in the media that she was a member when she was released from prison.
    Proof of her membership is not required. Some form of proof that she wasn't a member is required.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,589 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Not sure how you get clarity on it.

    Connolly says she checked and that she was not a member.

    Over to the 'alligators'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,589 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Proof of membership when she was working in the Dáil is what I meant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,045 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Well, a president can't do anything about housing or Gaza.

    But I think many people do care about the judgment of someone who signs in a convicted criminal, with no security clearance into the nation's parliament.

    Seems to me, CC is hiding something here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,589 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Heather's next grilling on her time in government beginning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,844 ✭✭✭almostover


    Ok I'm going to address your points 1 by 1.

    If an organisation such as Eirigí doesn't keep detailed accounts of its membership like most other political parties, what does that infer about Eirigí as an organisation? In my mind it infers that Eirigí is not a normal political organisation and bolsters my opinions about its links to dissident republicanism. Interested to get your thoughts though.

    Your point about the permanent pass would be laughable if it weren't so serious. Any employee where I work (medical device manufacturer) has to be issued a security pass on day 1 of their employment, irrespective of their probation period. In the case of working in our national parliament there should be zero tolerance of any circumventing of the security protocols. I think you will agree with this. Let's not forget the person in question was jailed for attempting a violent crime using a handgun previously used in a murder.

    You ask a great question on why a rehabilitated person would not pass Garda vetting. I doubt the Gardaí will release their assessment but to most rational minded people a person just out of jail for an attempted armed robbery who was in the company of dissident republicans while doing so may be a threat to security in our national parliament. The Gardaí would have been negligent had they reached any other decision IMO. CC likely knew this and hence was signing her in daily as a visitor.

    Finally, yes there are former criminals working as TD's in the Dáil. But the clear distinction here is that all of them have a democratic mandate to do so. The electorate have decide upon their rehabilitation, as it should be. And given that all Dáil parties recognise the legitimacy of Dáil Eireann and the state that it represents, and support the GFA then it is clear why these TDs have been considered rehabilitated by the electorate.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,186 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Not an easy job at all to get clarity but it is necessary.

    Connolly' s statement is only part of the story.

    Over to the fourth estate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,589 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    While they are at it, they might also prove the click bait headline they broke the story with - That Gardai intervened and that Connolly pleaded with them to change their decision.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,146 ✭✭✭deezell


    CC is fond of the oul armed terrorists. In extreme left speak, they're freedom fighters, the people's true saviours. If shes elected, I can picture her security details, a Hamas in a face mask on one side, and an AiryGee in a Beret and sunglasses on the other. Both armed of course.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,045 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    LOL

    HH is the frontrunner and the person to beat, and the bookies favourite… and her campaign is in 'trouble'?

    Meanwhile, you are hear day in day out defending CC from her daily disasters



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,045 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Didn't you say a sex offender is rehabilitated and poses no risk?

    Which is it now… because you are talking from both sides of your mouth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,478 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Connolly is easily fooled, just like O'Cuiv.

    If you were a 'model prisoner', speak Irish to 'a gold standard' and have served your sentence, then you're no longer a security risk, the slate is clean according to them.

    Let her get a job working in CC's constituency office or as a barista, not in the Oireachtas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,844 ✭✭✭almostover


    And yet voted to pass the amendment to the road traffic act in question as mentioned at the end of the article.

    Amazing how democracy works isn't it, elected representative challenges proposed legislation initially. Debates ensue and said representative changes their mind and votes in favour of the legislation.

    Nice try at deflecting from the Eirigí debacle BTW….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,589 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You sure you read the comment properly?

    IF Heather is not doing well among farmers THEN her campaign is in trouble - IS NOT the same thing as saying her campaign is in trouble.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,123 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Eirigi are said not to recognise the Dail as the legitimate Irish government, working there would be antithetical to their political beliefs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,589 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    It's a report on the site of the national broadcaster.

    You don't think she is going to be questioned on it? I say you couldn't be more wrong.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,468 ✭✭✭JVince


    So rather than go through garda vetting that takes 2-3 weeks, connolly organised daily day passes for 6 months!!!!????

    That is simply not believable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,589 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 680 ✭✭✭rdwight


    Your shifting the goalposts there Francie.

    First you say the use of "comrade" in reference to Nì Shionnáin means nothing because the left's use of the term doesn't imply membership.

    When it's pointed out that the term does imply shared beliefs (which in Eirigi's case would be toxic) you say we going to have to hear Ní Shionnáin admit membership or beliefs herself

    Given the implications for herself and for CC's campaign I think we can safely say that Ní Shionnáin would be unlikely to admit to having shared Eirigi's beliefs or being a member in 2018 (as you well know)



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 44,288 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    That's my point - the onus should have been for CC to know that Ursula Ní Shionnain had distanced herself from Éirígí.
    What evidence was CC given that U Ní S left the group?
    What evidence was CC given that U Ní S had distanced herself from a life of guns and kidnapping?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,589 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Again, I didn't say it 'means nothing', I said it is a general term used by the left.

    I am inclined to believe those who knew the woman at the time and those who worked with her in prison as a part of their job promoting reconciliation and rehabilitation rather than somebody who wasn't close to the situation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,844 ✭✭✭almostover


    She will be questioned and I see in the article the response is there already, she voted to pass the legislation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,150 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    @FrancieBrady knows it too. I don’t think he truly believes his own posts on this. If SF ran a candidate in this race, his posts about Connolly would read a lot differently.

    The beauty for HH in particular she can just sit back now. As Connolly keeps having to fight fire after fire.

    It did occur to me that if/when HH becomes President she could go to Raithcairn to brush up on that Gaeilge. Ni Shionnain might help set that up, She would have pull there.🙄

    The thing I find gas is that SF backed Connolly for the ROI electorate tastes -no links to militant Republicanism, no links to the troubles etc. Southern and female. Irish speaker. Well educated. Yet here we are. Hilarious stuff really. It would have been less hassle to put Gerry Adams forward!

    I don’t think it will affect the youth vote though. But the older middle of the road voter. Connolly’s calamities - must be worth 5% of votes in a tight race?

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,650 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    The leaders of all the parties supporting the Independent left-wing candidate rowed in behind Ms Connolly’s decision to employ Ursula Ní Shionnain in 2019, shortly after her release from prison. However, there were some reservations expressed, particularly by Green Party leader Roderic O’Gorman.

    No surprise at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 680 ✭✭✭rdwight


    Ever been Garda vetted? I'm sure you have and know how long it takes. You can even submit application online now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,589 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Well, I am afraid all we will ever get on that is Connolly's word that she did her due diligence. And it does look like she sought out the advice of somebody who has worked with the woman.
    Depends on what you think of Connolly's motivations and integrity overall.

    I immediately wanted to vote for this woman from day one, I am convinced of her integrity and I know what motivates her from following her career.

    Voters will have to make that call too. I can't see how you are going to get physical proof.



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