2025 Ryder Cup, Bethpage, NY.

I think Shanes performance secured his place in 2 years time, irrespective of form. I would say it will be his last though

Oh absolutely you don't have to agree with their politics or extremely conservative views. What i'm saying is there is no way they'd be as brazenly and openly abusive like the New York crowd were this weekend.

With it being in Ireland the fella would have to lose his card to not be included. The motivation he would have to do well playing here will be immense.

Classic projection right there. "Its not our fault, its that lot over there's fault. We're fine good people, but those ones over there, awful".

Its America at the moment. Everything is somebody else's fault. Be it Republicans, Democrats, Immigrants, New Yorkers, Californians, Medicare, China, Europe, whoever. Somebody else's fault.

They are all Americans. And as the saying goes, all it takes for evil to thrive is for good people to do nothing. Where was the "shut the F up" from the decent people in the crowd. Where was the marshals getting rid of these people?

It wasn't there and this was well flagged, and the organisers ultimately didn't give a F either once the USA USA USA chants were rolling, if a shouter put McIlroy off his shot then great. Its what America now is. A country where most of us once admired, now people look at them with a combination of embarrassment and pity.

If I was an American with even a shred of decency, I'd be mortified by the whole thing.

I agree regarding captains being one and done. If we ask a winning captain to stay on it will end up becoming a thing where anytime they change it will be assumed it was because the previous captain was deemed to be bad. You're essentially one step away from saying they were sacked.

You're right Fix, there's a list a mile long of potentials. Even if the LIV thing was sorted out though, you'd have to wonder how many of the current extended "squad" of European players would really want to play under a LIV captain. We don't know what the relationships are like anymore. Maybe they are all good with each other but hard to imagine there isn't a lingering bad taste with some. IMHO there isn't a chance in hell that Stenson gets asked again and some of the guys that took cases and/or went to arbitration etc with the tour I'd say are unlikely to be endorsed regardless of how many fences are mended.

I think Luke should step away now gracefully, he's done his bit, and his legacy is secured. I suppose the caveats are unless there isn't an obvious alternative and the players seem to like playing for him. I'd say the biggest factor will be does Rose think he can make one more as a player or could he be talked into the captains role instead.

Pure speculation for fun…………..Donald in Adare, followed by Rose in Hazeltine, Molinari in Spain (Garcia's not getting one), then Lowry in Olympic Club. Then Rory, then Fleetwood, then Rahm.

Or Donald quits and they're all brought forward by two years 😀

out of interest who shot the best round on sunday. i heard shane shot 64

Lowry and Henley had the best individual rounds on Sunday if you're looking at SG stats. The 3rd and 4th best overall individual performances also. Most of the other top SG performances were easy wins. Rose's putter on Saturday was a joke.

I was there on Friday and Sunday and it was obviously incredible. The food and drink being free was great and meant very small to no queues at all when looking for refreshments. The alcohol was a different story but not too bad. The numbers and internal infrastructure will be very different for Adare, there is simply not enough room.

Now, onto the crowd! They were an absolute disgrace and I missed Saturday which was the worst day. I spent the whole afternoon on Sunday in the 18th green grandstand and the stuff being said was terrible. Shane Lowry fat, Straka ugly etc but in much worse language than that. However, there was always some American fan telling people to pipe down and shut up which was decent to see.

I do think a lot of it was pantomime stuff. One example, I was at the 15th tee on Friday standing on a buggy and there was this 40 something yr old US guy standing beside. As Rory is over his drive he shouts "Pinehurst". I piped up with "STFU you prick" and he turned around aghast that someone would chirp back. He then asked was I Irish and when I replied yes he spent the next 5 mins showing me pictures of Rory signing his kids flag, giving him a golf ball and being a "great dude" the day before. I then asked him WTF he was doing shouting then and he replied "It's game day man". Mad place.

Also it was pretty shocking to hear the head of the PGA of America say the fans in Rome were fairly similar to the fans at Bethpage.

No hint of apology or accountability.