Israel/Palestine Thread

Kind of makes certain states recognising Palestine a bit mute now considering it appears they have lost the right to self determination. It would be interesting if Gaza called a referendum on what the population think.

Israel cannot take Gaza by force this is obvious, so make an offer they can't refuse, if they do refuse blame Iran and then it all really kicks off, that is what they have always wanted as well as destroying the Palestinians.

Evil or what ?

Does anyone really believe Bibi will see the inside of a jail cell in Israel or anywhere else? Trump has already interfered in the Israeli legal process. He has hailed Bibi a “war hero” called his prosecution a “witch hunt” and called for his trial to be “cancelled immediately” and elsewhere for Bibi to be pardoned.
As for the ICC or ICJ, there is probably a higher likelihood of its judges being imprisoned than Netenyahu.

Really? Do you think he would be arrested in Germany or Hungary for example?

He might see prison time at home in Israel as he was already potentially on corruption and anti-constitutional charges. Especially if he can be ousted from power in the next election!

As long as the ICC case is in play he will be arrested after landing in any country that is party to the ICC. Trump seems to be somewhat annoyed with Bibi lately which may help to end the war

Can we all agree that if the fighting in Gaza stops, then any "genocide" will stop as well? Isn't that the first priority?

What fighting in Gaza? Why is genocide in inverted commas? How are UN findings, independent orgs, almost all human rights groups, declaring this as genocide discounted?

The IDF using it's air force to drop bombs on civilians neighbourhoods and infrastructure isn't fighting a war. It is mass murder.

There have been approx 600 Israeli soldiers killed since October 7th, along with a handful of civilians. Alot of people for sure - but compared to the other side of shows this for the one sides slaughter it is. More children under the age of 1 have been killed than Israeli combatants. That is not a normal facet of war.

In Gaza, the toll is likely hundreds of thousands, but the accepted figure from the PHA is around 70k, 20,000 of them children. Israel themselves say 30,000 Hamas have been killed with a ratio of 2:1, indicating 90k have been killed.

If you are expecting people to discuss things with you in good faith, you should try to take the inherent flaws and bias out of your questions.

Not necessarily, some countries, such as Germany, might try to wriggle out of it by claiming he has sovereign immunity, but i doubt they will want to put in that awkward position,so bar an emergency landing in a signature country to the ICC, I dont think Bibi will be setting foot in many countries aside from America.

No i dont. While the prospect of jail is more likely in Israel, i think some deal will be done where he gets immunity from prosecution. Anyone who thinks he will ever go to the Hague is engaging in wishful thinking. The Americans will never allow it and the Israelis will never hand him over in the first place.

Where did anyone say that?

As usual, genocide supporter making up lies.

Israel Foreign ministry have uncovered some documents found in a Hamas outpost in Gaza that proves a funding connection between the flotilla and Hamas. Also documents show evidence that the ships in the flotilla are owned by Hamas also.

Very convenient finding all of that " proof " just now. They even made a mistake adding George Galloway as the suspect.

Be honest? Are you having a laugh? You'll have to ring VHI to get your tongue surgically removed from your cheek after that zinger.

Tell me who on here has advocated for Hamas to "win", or has shown them any support outside of a single poster on page 1494 in this cesspit of a thread. You similarly tried to intonate Hamas support was widespread then, without challenging that poster yourself, it was v curious.

This is genocide. It has been declared almost unanimously by independant human rights groups, inside Israel and out. Famine has been declared.

You consistently showed support for it before these declarations, and it seems you are doubling down now. Do respected international bodies making decisions, based on mountains of evidence, never given you pause for thought? Or do you tell yourself they all want Hamas "to win"?

If so, give yourself a clap on the back for flat out refusing to see what is happening before your eyes - it's only Muslims afterall.

It may help you sleep at night to paint those opposing you on here as being somehow the same as you (i.e. arguing for a genocide of Israelis), but your fantasies are as unfounded as your logic.

Pro international law, pro democracy, pro human rights is the overwhelming position I see in this thread fighting your point of view that supports the mass killing of civilians. This is an extremist Vs centre argument, not extremist Vs extremist.

Tell me why anybody advocating for the virtues above would ever agree with what Israel are doing? Do us all a favour, and answer me that before you engage in further baseless slander. Why not just be honest?

As was said before, when Israeli spokespeople changed from calling this the "selfie flotilla" to the "Hamas flotilla", it is very clear what direction they were headed.

So c'mon, all the pro IDF sycophants on here - do you think this is credible? Do you ignore again your critical faculties and argue that humanitarians bringing aid and food to starving people are Hamas now? Is it likely that Greta Thurnberg is an Islamic terrorist? Is it convincing, the closer they get to land, that Israel would come across an incriminating document lying around, specifying this very thing?

It is possible to be a Palestinian supporter without being a Hamas supporter despite what people think

Dont worry, nobody really thinks that. It's just a lie the extremists tell so they can paint a picture that their blatant bigotry and inhumanity has an equal and opposite counterbalance, and is thus not that extreme at all.

The Israelis used to be good at this sort of misinformation. Now everyone just laughed at their lies. From the beheaded babies to the massive Hamas HQ under a hospital there lies have been exposed so often they have zero credibility.