2025 Ryder Cup, Bethpage, NY.

All this is moot and completely irrelevant this morning. After all the analysis, they retained and won the Ryder Cup on American soil against most predictions.

America were favourites according to most analysts so hats off to Luke, a great and effective captain, and his team for their victory.

It's not a collapse as they got over the line. USA won the session simple as that, but they last 4 other sessions and those points are equally as important.

They also went out with nothing to lose and just went for it and when board starts turning red then they got momentum and belief and the reverse for Europe.

Either way, the final day is not a team event and you can't have a collapse like you'd see in football or other team sports.

And while he's at it, try using some punctuation.

Don't feed the troll, just report it.

Still think Rose will be in contention to play.

Would love to see the Molinari brothers do it together.

The whole premise of the video is that the captains picks are so vital to success. The European Captain's picks more or less pick themselves every RC. There might be one spot that could be an either/or scenario, but Europe doesn't have the depth of the US in terms of players, and the 12 players are generally no surprise. Most of us on Boards would have picked the same picks.

I'm not dismissing the work that goes into it, plenty of data analytics these days etc etc, but the role of the Captain is completely overblown.

The Ryder Cup means way way more to European players and they come together much stronger as a team. Maybe that can be contributed to decades of good captaincy creating that culture (I think it's in Europeans more so anyway) and the smaller group brings continuity amongst players, and continuity amongst Captains / VCs.

General question about the final day.

When Luke Donald picks his order, is he expecting that everything will be done and dusted early, and that there will be no pressure on the later players? Just wondering what the last 3 players were feeling when it was all still "in the mix".

Shane Lowry is just a great human being. Loyal to his roots, would show up and feel as at home at a County Final in Clara as he would in Augusta. I've never heard anybody say he is anything other than a great guy.

He's just a great great guy. If I could pick one golfer to sink the retaining putt yesterday, it was him.

This week once again showed how much golf misses Rahm, Bryson and the other bigger names messing around on LIV.

Yeah, its a pity. Also Brooks, DJ, etc.

It needs to get sorted out, its a farce with half of them playing in a competition nobody cares or watches.

Reflecting now, I had no problem with anything the US players did, bar DeShambles - what an absolute moron, the epitome of those in the stands. Fired up, loudmouth, ignorant pig looking for an argument. But sure his background off the course says it all.

I thought the likes of JT celebrated their putts and rightly so - they tried to quell the madness on Saturday and try to get the fans to respect the Europeans. But hey its sport, its intense, its firey and there is only so much they can do. I bet they are all back in Jupiter today laughing at it. These lads are all friends and living in the same area.

I'm really embarrased for America because what went on on Saturday is what they have become as a people in the last 10 years. Maybe they always were behind the veneer of some of them. Don't forget if you meet an American who voted, he or she is more likely to have voted for DJT than not. That says it all about what they are.

Thankfully, when they come to Europe they will get a good welcome and be respected. Its important to never lower yourself to the level of a moron just because they did it.

Roll on Adare Manor, it sounds classy because it is. Everything Bethpage and their fans were not.

Well yes, that's the point made in that video. The team captain has much more leeway now and a ranking system that makes it easier to avoid having a bunch of rookies in the team. Jon Rahm was the only outlier, ranked 24th in the leadup, but still got picked above guys who were higher up in the rankings.

You look at form and there's more than the odd spot. Matt Wallace and Alex Noren were arguably better picks than Victor Hovland and Matt FitzPatrick whose form had been off until very recently. Alex got a VC spot and Matt Wallace was left off in favour of Jon Rahm.

If you look at the names ranked above Jon Rahm (24th), you have Matt Wallace, Aaron Rai, Thomas Detry, Marco Penge, Jordan Smith, Harry Hall and Nicolai Hojgaard. That's a lot of talent, but also a lot of rookies.

Edit: The danger is not having enough fresh blood to pick from. Probably the home cups are where you can inject some.

I agree, talk of a choke is just ridiculous.

A few of the US wins yesterday were on the last hole too so it was so tight.

It was amazing viewing yesterday evening. Edge of the seat stuff.

Hatton too, although I'm not a massive fan, is always interesting to watch