Advertisement
Help Keep Boards Alive. Support us by going ad free today. See here: https://subscriptions.boards.ie/.
If we do not hit our goal we will be forced to close the site.

Current status: https://keepboardsalive.com/

Annual subs are best for most impact. If you are still undecided on going Ad Free - you can also donate using the Paypal Donate option. All contribution helps. Thank you.
https://www.boards.ie/group/1878-subscribers-forum

Private Group for paid up members of Boards.ie. Join the club.

Presidential Election 2025

1266267269271272504

Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,855 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    By "true republican" you mean that she wanted a second anti-vaxxer to back up Liadh Ni Raida's "just asking questions" about the HPV vaccine?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,599 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,694 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Totally abusurd statement from Connolly, she really is excelling at putting her foot in her mouth.

    Disgraceful, she is saying there are "parallels" between the democratic government of a close EU ally of Ireland, and the Nazi government of the 1930s.

    Imagine what nonsense she'd be liable to come out with on behalf of our country as President. It does not bear thinking about.

    Stay for a week

    in sunny Donaghmede

    with me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,855 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    It’s a bit like someone in the 1930s criticising Poland or France for wanting to increase their defensive capabilities



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭liamtech


    I dont know if CC has any chance in this race, the more i hear, the less i am inclined to give her a preference. And its painful because i am a lefty, although not radical or woke.

    She strikes me as more of an activist than a politician. Its quite annoying really, but she will not pick up too many votes if she continues on this path. Id love to know what advice she is receiving, and from whom. Because so much of her gaffs (The Hamas comment, her beliefs on 'NATO Imperialism and Ukraine, and now this ridiculous analogy to the 30s) - all of these are totally avoidable if she had an ounce of sense.

    Its all to similar to the 2019 UK Election, and Corbyn. It was an election of consequence, as it was the final moment when Brexit could have been avoided. But Jeremy simply couldnt be told. And waded headfirst into devisive waters, handing BJ a landslide.

    This is what we get on the left, when we chose the wrong candidate. She had a good chance going into this, but i just feel she sets fire to her campaign everytime she talks like this. And there are 4 more weeks for her to continue shooting herself in the foot

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Advertisement
  • Site Banned Posts: 4,164 ✭✭✭Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire


    I have to laugh at McDowell and Steen looking for his support.

    His grandfather, Eoin McNeill, called off 20,000 National Volunteers rising in 1916, and completely fcuked up the Boundary Commission. Talk about flawed pedigree.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,694 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Letting anybody at all would be totally absurd.

    Connolly didn't "enable" Gemma to go to the councils to make a fool of herself, she did that off her own bat. Connolly gave (or said she would give) an Oireachtas nomination to Gemma despite it already being perfectly apparent she was a nutcase. That's a serious error of judgement and she still refuses to recognise this.

    She did not give Gemma a platform, anyone can approach the councils for a nomination. Connolly was not playing 4d chess here, quite the opposite.

    Stay for a week

    in sunny Donaghmede

    with me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,478 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    "I saw Pat Leahy journalist had a theory that McDowell didn’t vote for Steen because he was afraid she would win. Which is a contradiction in terms. McDowell was willing to use Steen to a point in the more recent referendum. When he could make use of her."

    I read that article too. Where's the 'contradiction'?

    You can be allied to someone regarding constitutional change(s) but still believe they aren't suitable 'Presidential material'.

    You obviously see politics in black & white terms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,049 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    I get the point you are making , but how does giving extremists a platform for the sake of "balance" help Democracy?

    Is Sherdien an extremist? Definitely not.
    Even Steen? She is a social conservative, but so are approximately 1/3 of the country.
    We are not talking about nominating Justin Barrett here.

    It's like challenge with the climate debate.

    You have a scientific speaker on a news show to discuss the problem and you feel you should have an opposing view "for balance" but by having it 1:1 you are giving outsized representation to the deniers.

    "Balance" would actually mean having 10 on one side and 1 on the denier side, but that never happens.

    This is a total strawman. We are not electing scientists or fact finders to be president.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,155 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    In that’ McDowell was willing to make use of Steen to a point from a political point of view. But can then dump her when it suits. A contradiction on the surface but politically shrewd.
    -

    As for myself if a person who voted McGuinness 2011 and likely HH. Is a person viewing politics as “black and white” I don’t to how to square your perception of me with that.

    In fact it did occur to me that an amalgamation of all the positive qualities of HH, CC, JG and MS would make the perfect president. But that is not how it works.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,694 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Not at all, his supporters have no more time for Steen than he does.

    It was reported that the last few unaccounted for Oireachtas members were getting hundreds of calls from Steen headbangers - that'd píss anyone off

    Stay for a week

    in sunny Donaghmede

    with me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,478 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Sorry I read your 2nd paragraph a couple of times but couldn't understand it as it's very poorly written.

    On the subject of McDowell 'using' Steen in the family and Care referendums he obviously saw a fruitful and ultimately successful collaboration there but he was under no obligation to support her nomination for President.

    Just because they collaborated on a particular issue and didn't on a totally different one isn't a 'contradiction'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,851 ✭✭✭almostover


    The presidential election isn't devalued if you or others perceive it to be dull or boring. It's not an entertainment show. It's up to the people to engage in politics if they feel their views are not represented. Not the other way around. Nothing prohibits anyone for running for a council or Dáil seat if they feel the political choices on offer don't represent their position. Or forming a new political party to represent such views.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,049 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Yea thats a mature way of doing politics.

    "I dont have to talk to anyone I disagree with, that will get a lot done…!"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,851 ✭✭✭almostover


    Do you apply the same logic to a candidates husband who at a point in time was a member of the Orange Order? I hope you do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,049 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    What is the difference, because I don't see it?

    Michael D signed the nomination papers of David Norris, even though he was running against him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,049 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Connolly is a lunatic. She will crumble in the debates.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,049 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    That is a decent summary of it.

    I thought Gavin would be more able in front of the camera's but its early days. Lets see in the debates.

    Humphries would be the safest bet of the lot, I think. She is seasoned, and you could trust her in the role and not to **** it up.

    Connolly would be a disaster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,851 ✭✭✭almostover


    We already do accept the OO, there are lodges in many of the border counties.

    Agree that it is a sectarian organisation but at least get your facts right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭liamtech


    All of this discussion surrounding Maria Steen, and her failure to get support - and whether or not Michael McDowell was wrong to refuse her - I cannot help but feel it is disguising the real reasons behind the failure;

    Who is the blame for Maria Steen not receiving the Nomination?

    Its very easy to answer this, the person to blame is Maria Steen herself.

    As an 'independent' without the backing of a big political party, she gave herself less than 1 month to gain the required support. It simply wasnt enough time. Had she announced her initention back in january, she could easily have spent months lobbying TDs and County Councils, and built on that support as the deadline appraoched. Her campaign was poorly planned, and she simply ran out of road.

    Gript et al, have a vested interest in making this all about Michael McDowell and others, because they need the narrative to be 'Undemocratic' and 'the establishment' moving to squash an 'insurgent maverick'. Its nonsense. McDowell, and every member of both houses of government have the same rights - they can chose to nominate if they wish, whom ever they wish - Steen couldnt persuade enough of them to back her. So she failed to get nominated - fair and square

    As for the elected members of FF and FG, and all of the other parties around the country in Local Councils - yes they were whipped. Again, this is not unfair - its not undemocratic, or evidence of anything other than Politics.

    No extraordinary measures were employed to stop Steen - a system exists to get nominated - Steen tried to get nominated and failed -

    People who feel slighted that she didnt get the nomination, - i have said it before, vote for who you want at the next election, and Lobby Steen to get started for 2032. I for one am happy she is NOT on the ballot this time, but i fully expect her to try again

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,805 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    So, fcuk the Constitution. Jesus sure let's all just make it up as we go along. Sure If that idea doesn't work we'll come up with another one, and so on and so on?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,049 ✭✭✭✭markodaly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,694 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I think that's a disgraceful statement to make about anyone. Just as bad as what was said about Humphreys because of her grandfather

    Stay for a week

    in sunny Donaghmede

    with me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,887 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    I'm in same boat as yourself. I vote left, she'd be my obvious candidate but so far she's come across as a poor candidate. If the left had consolidated around soembody like Catherine Murphy or Brendan Howlin I think it'd be a very strong candidate, but I don't see Connolly doing well. Maybe the campaign now that it's properly started will be the making of her, but I'm not confident.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,599 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    No, change the constitution by democratic vote because as it was in many other instances the constitution is not doing what it should.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,478 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Yes, if there's any one individual to blame it's Maria Steen herself. I already said as much previously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,310 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Letting someone try hector you in to doing something you're never going to do is not useful politics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Minorities are allowed so long as they are not Orange Order minorities because we don't like them, is that correct?

    The fake republicanism of "republicans" is never far away from being revealed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    During this campaign alone, she has criticised the UK and Germany, two of our closest allies and friends. She falls back on being "blunt", well we don't need a President who will put their foot in it every single time because of their bluntness.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,599 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The Orange Order is a sectarian quazi-political group steeped in blood and agitation.

    There is a reason a current candidate did not want to be associated with it and was less than truthful or forthcoming with answers.



Advertisement