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Meanwhile on the Roads...

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  • #1832
    MojoMaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,298 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Healy-Raes you mean?



  • #1833
    zell12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,485 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Driver phone use was off the scale before, but now it is Off De Bleedin Scale



  • #1834
    Dr_Colossus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,338 ✭✭✭Dr_Colossus


    Sentencing no better in the UK, nearly kills a cyclist but to his credit he did stop so all is forgiven. WTF like:

    https://road.cc/content/news/driver-crashes-cyclist-avoids-jail-315899


  • #1835
    p15574
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 809 ✭✭✭p15574


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123829038#Comment_123829038

    "two pints" - yeah.



  • #1836
    zell12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,485 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    The collision, involving a truck and a bicycle, ~6:15pm. The cyclist was pronounced dead at the scene. https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2025/0919/1534280-collision-cork/ so, 12 cyclist deaths ytd

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  • #1837
    TheChizler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,546 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    That's really horrible, the poor girl and family.

    I would occasionally cycle down there on my way home around then and the junction is normally a mess with vehicles blocking the yellow box, affecting visibility, and drivers frustrated missing light cycles as a result. Not saying that had anything to do with this.

    The sooner we move the port cargo facilities away from the city centre, removing a load of trucks like this one, the better.



  • #1838
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,775 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123830145#Comment_123830145

    I'd often times see cyclists blatantly ignoring the lights there. Not saying that's what happened here but for context I think it's important to note that the fault of her death hasn't been established yet



  • #1839
    gooseman12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 112 ✭✭gooseman12


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123830381#Comment_123830381

    To balance out the cyclists breaking lights comment, pretty much every single time I use this junction as a pedestrian when leaving work, I nearly get taken out by a driver when crossing, where the driver has a red light and the pedestrian light is green.

    It is basically a free for all down there at certain times. The gardai and council are complicit in the situation becoming what it is today.



  • #1840
    TheChizler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,546 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123830381#Comment_123830381

    Of course it hasn't, I'm commenting about the typical layout of this junction and danger posed by trucks in general. No need to bring breaking red lights into it.



  • #1841
    hans aus dtschl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,791 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    Yep I hate that junction even driving. The poor woman may have been taking the most direct route for her but I'd recommend anyone cycling to try and avoid that location: either use Albert Quay or Gasworks Road. I know people who cycle there and on the N27 because it's the direct route for them and there's no dedicated cycle facilities on the alternate routes anyway, but it's just horrible to cycle. Multiple lanes wide and no refuges - hemmed in on both sides. As I say that poor woman probably didn't have particularly attractive alternatives



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  • #1842
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,122 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Ugh, I know it's Facebook but one commenter blaming the greens for narrowing the roads. Dumbest take ever.



  • #1843
    aero2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,501 ✭✭✭aero2k


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123814649#Comment_123814649

    The two shouldn't be exclusive though. I was knocked off my bike from behind in 2001, and I was a witness in the careless driving case against the driver. The defence solicitor mentioned that I had received compensation from his insurance company but the judge was having none of it - he said "the roads have to be safe for cyclists".

    Just btw I tried to avoid making the claim but I got a nasty letter from his insurance company making false allegations regarding the incident so I decided to get even rather than getting mad. I'd much prefer it not to have happened at all though - the interval between hearing his tyres skidding and the impact were the longest of my life, and it was a long time before I could ride in a group without tensing up every time I heard any screeching / skidding noises.

    Edited to fix typo.

    Post edited by aero2k on


  • #1844
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,262 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Holy hell, driven by my boss this evening. On the M50 and M11 I'd say blatant phone use ( as in flat out being focused on an app, not just a phone call) was over 50% of drivers. A couple of observed, only by the grace of statistics, potentially fatal near misses. How is our death toll not higher is nothing short of what can only be described as proof of an external force we cannot perceive.



  • #1845
    smacl
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 16,107 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123832678#Comment_123832678

    Watching all the phone zombies walking around the streets, it doesn't surprise me. We seem to be in the grip of a serious addiction that seems inescapable to so many. I'm guessing I'm not the only one here to have had to swerve to avoid folks crossing the road while staring at their phone's, or watching kids nearly walk into trees on school nature trips.

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  • #1846
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,294 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    My wife has commented several times that she's amazed there's never been a fatality of O'Connell street, with the prevalence of pedestrians glued to their phones walking out in front of buses.



  • #1847
    elchupanebrey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 513 ✭✭✭elchupanebrey


    But the number or people using thier phone driving has dropped according to the RSA



  • #1848
    Wildly Boaring
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭Wildly Boaring


    The RSA would definitely be my pick for most useless state agency. Rode on the coat tails of increased motorways reducing road deaths for years.

    Hiviz seems to be their only idea. Shares in Portwest?

    Appreciate you're being sarcastic 😉



  • #1849
    MangleBadger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 746 ✭✭✭MangleBadger


    Improvements in car technology is only encouraging phone use. If I'm on the motorway I can turn on adaptive cruise control and lane assist. It will keep me a set distance from the car in front and in the middle of the lane.

    I don't need to break, and I don't need to steer. You can imagine people thinking the risk of looking at their phone is minimal.



  • #1850
    Wildly Boaring
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭Wildly Boaring


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123833291#Comment_123833291

    Agreed. Very few motorway deaths as motorways are inherently safe anyway.

    Same scenario in a town or on a rural road and ACC not going to notice a vulnerable road user

    Post edited by Wildly Boaring on


  • #1851
    elchupanebrey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 513 ✭✭✭elchupanebrey


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123833231#Comment_123833231

    Absolutely being sarcastic. Anyone with 2 eyes can see how many people drive and use their phone.

    People would hardly lie when asked if they use their phone while driving, surely



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  • #1852
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,262 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123833223#Comment_123833223

    I know the answer but I'll ask anyway. I wonder what type of statistical analysis they done to make such a claim and did they take into account any factors that would make the claim less likely to be probable such as the recent Garda report stating most traffic corp don't actively pursue such crimes.



  • #1853
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,262 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123833291#Comment_123833291

    Only thought of this after. Lane assist improves safety with one hand but actively allows people to drive in ways that would in other circumstances be extremely dangerous. On a motorway with little traffic you could get away with being overtired simply using adaptive cruise control and lane assist. It is still dangerous and it's a bit like the way seatbelts briefly increased RTAs when made mandatory in the UK as people behaved more wrecklessly.



  • #1854
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,294 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    IIRC it's a very rough rule of thumb that a new safety system loses 30% of its effectiveness because of people becoming complacent due to the new feature.



  • #1855
    elchupanebrey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 513 ✭✭✭elchupanebrey


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123837079#Comment_123837079

    I don't know the answer but I'd guess very little/none



  • #1856
    JMcL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,728 ✭✭✭JMcL


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123833291#Comment_123833291

    And this I would imagine contributes to a deterioration in whatever driving skills the drivers might have. It's kind similar to the justification that you can't put a state of the art cardiac/oncology/24 hour A+E in every local hospital as the practitioners need volume to remain sharp



  • #1857
    Dr_Colossus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,338 ✭✭✭Dr_Colossus


    Not cycling related but shows the dangers and devastation from mobile phone use on our roads.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8xr5gye5r9o.amp


  • #1858
    Mo Ghile Mear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 275 ✭✭Mo Ghile Mear


    I rarely drive in Dublin but had occasion over the weekend to travel on a lot of rural roads around the Dublin-Wicklow border.

    First thing that surprised me was the sheer numbers of cyclists on the roads, loads of single riders but also clubs and small groups. A lot of the roads were narrow and winding and very shaded with trees and high walls and I can't count the number of times I either didn't see them in the shade or came up behind them on a bend and found myself nearly on top of them.

    And the sun in your eyes through the trees adds to the poor visibility.

    The next thing that surprised me was the number not wearing high vis clothes.

    Add to that drivers taking sneak peeks at their phones.

    I used to cycle myself so I'm really aware of and very supportive of cyclists. But I don't think they are always aware of how vulnerable they are and I'm not surprised at the number of accidents. And on a weekend morning in rural Co Dublin there weren't even trucks to contend with.



  • #1859
    Wildly Boaring
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭Wildly Boaring


    Good old hiviz vest. Sort it all out!!



  • #1860
    cletus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,600 ✭✭✭cletus


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123841930#Comment_123841930

    I'm not going to address any of the 'didn't see them/sun in my eyes/came out of nowhere/no hi-vis' comments you made, but I don't believe you used to be a cyclist, because if you were, you'd know that we're well aware of just how vulnerable we are.



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  • #1861
    Mo Ghile Mear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 275 ✭✭Mo Ghile Mear


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123841964#Comment_123841964

    Cletus I assure you I was a cyclist, not in a big way but did a fair bit of leisure cycling and a couple of sportives with my local club back in the day.

    My point was an acknowledgement of the difficulties posed for cyclists by the conditions on shaded, winding roads around Dublin where there is a very high volume of both car and cycle traffic, and the particular dangers of morning low sun.

    It was an observation. Not a criticism.



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