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Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 244 ✭✭yewdairy


    I didn't think any coops had linked sustainability payments to a specific ebi?

    My point about the ebi is you can use it or not, that's an individual farmer decision.

    but you could use it and if you use the sub indexes you can breed the cow you want.

    The maintenance and beef sub indexes more or less cancel each other out, we have a very low beef sub index on our herd but a very high maintenance sub index



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,121 ✭✭✭straight


    I presume that's boucher hayes. He's more of a shock jock than anything else. He wouldn't know the front from the back of a cow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,121 ✭✭✭straight


    I believe tillage farmers can still pour out the fertiliser during the closed season. Lowest carbon footprint my arse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,939 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    ours dose ..!not specific ebi but top 50%. I think and ebi gain per year …it’s part of the options needed …either way I don’t place muchb if any emphasis on it as I use international bulls ……interesting my he’d ebi is still up around high 2/0z I think



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭dmakc


    Isn't there a genotype 25% of your dairy herd option available for this bit, though I'm not sure what the max 2 years caveat relates to



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Coolcormack1979


    Philip Boucher Hayes is the posher sounding version of John gibbons.is he still driving his gas guzzling Land Rover?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,121 ✭✭✭straight




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,939 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    empty box home ….5 k was far as I was willing to go …2 I had picked out made 6800 and 6400

    It was a savage sale of real top quality farmers stock with records and top end breeding lines to boot …full clearance …in calf heifers averaged over 4500…..heifer calves from 1700 to 3200 ….no shortage of buyers …lads thinking market will cool may be in for a shock …waa disappointed to come home with nothing but very little cows empty and loads of heifers this year to come in



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 947 ✭✭✭daiymann 5


    In all fairness there not ur normal run of stock there well worth it high vg and ex holsteins hard found for sale if thats the type of stock you want there hard found bet heifers will calve 30mths like most holsteins.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,674 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    aye. You’re the biggest whiner on here about dairying and you got handed one and you told us a few weeks back both your parents inherited land, how much easier do you want it?

    I know from my own farm that’s ran on leased land and paying a mortgage on the milk block that there’s money in it. If I and others can make good money paying for every acre while also improving it why can’t you and others that own majority of your land ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,121 ✭✭✭straight


    Go back to the macra gang lad. You don't know what your talking about when it comes to the real world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,939 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    proper farmers stock …no extremes but very obvious tgat stock and farm is managed very well ….vast majority of these stock are calved 24/25 months ….they have sale every year and always command very high prices and repeat custom ….smother plus is c10 for tb ….this is a farm and a family that would have so much to offer when it comes to breeding and management of stock ….farm with actual stock and actual figures and actual top end prices …no fiction



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,035 ✭✭✭White Clover


    Would there be anyone else selling stock that you could recommend to Mahony so he wouldn't be heading home with an empty trailer?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,121 ✭✭✭straight


    There's no fear of that lad. He has plenty at home. I could leave a few of my own off for 5k alright.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,121 ✭✭✭straight


    The O'Leary gang said they couldn't pay the rent with any less than 140 cows. Who knows how many cows they will need to pay the rent next year...

    The companies and organisations glorifying their carry on are a disgrace imo. Next week they will have the hypocrisy to talk about work life balance and health and safety.

    I just hope suckers like them will still exist when I'm retiring myself. I'll gladly take their money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,016 ✭✭✭green daries


    Absolutely 💯 it's ridiculous that they are allowed away with it 🙄 will be a tight ship next year by the talk about milk price



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,230 ✭✭✭blackdog1


    Stans prices just went up! . what figures did those heifers you were after have?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,939 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    6400….6800 …5600,…heifers all in calf and very good scan with cows ….i didn’t need to buy but have bought great heifers there last few years I knew prices would be strong but not to level they went to ….they were a credit to Henry and Liam tbf ……its a fair nice touch financially at end of year



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,944 ✭✭✭stanflt


    not at all I don’t have stock like these- mine are only honest hard working avg cows with decent enough solid- all home bred



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,032 ✭✭✭visatorro


    Anyone can spend money how they wish but as you said you didnt need to spend the money. I don't think anyone that bought cows there needed to spend money either. Bit of vanity going on at some of these sales. Even in a good year that 4500 would be better spend around a farm in a lot of the buyers own places. This coming from a clown that has to buy for winter milk but not at that money!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,939 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    no vanity …way I see it there is non point buying rubbish or worse than you have in your own herd ….there was years of breeding and records to back them up and stock were turned out really well ….not pampered or fed for the day …..considering all the negative press this week around milk price I thought it might soften prices a bit but no affect ….the stock aren’t there so if lads want stock top end quality stock will make similar prices



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,674 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    leases don’t and bitter old land owners don’t usually get on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,121 ✭✭✭straight


    I know. I'll be fine though. I'm a landlord for years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 112 ✭✭Downtown123


    What your parents did and what those two muppets from Cloghroe were two very different things.

    They had full time jobs with cash built up. They rented a fine farm fairly well set up. Kept their well paying jobs and going people to do the actual work. They have treated the farm as a business which is 100% correct.

    Imo what the young farmer of the year award should be about is not young farmers going out spending a heap of money. But people who use best practise to maximise return from what’s available to them to drive on.

    Last year’s winner was much more deserving in my eyes. There was a time that a farmer would have a house built andmarried by 24. Now you can still be classed as a young farmer by 32 years of age which is stupid.

    The main problems facing young farmers is land accessibility and finance accessibility. Finance would not have been an issue in this case with full time alternative wage paying jobs.

    I’m not sure what happened in this scenario but did her in laws not rent that farm 10+ years ago and they morra yeah took it over in 2021/2022?

    Personally I feel there’s a touch of FarmTheory creeping into the advice. What I mean by this is; it is remarkably noticeable that farm theory milks 180 cows so as that he can justify minimise actually working with cows. How many 300 cow heroes are only milking that number of cows so they can minimise the amount of time they actually spend farming? They’re dead right if they can get away with it; but is that not an awful attitude to be encouraging?

    Farmers should be applauded for actually farming; not acting like executives overseeing everything being done by their “team”

    You have time and time again told the very admirable story of what your parents did in building up the farm and you seem to have inherited their work ethic. We could all be farmers of year if we’re watching everything being done for us. But that’s anadvisors job. Real farming should be focused on how you get through your daily routine in an efficient manner while still implementing best practise. Telling people to do it works; but it’s hardly a skill that needs rewarding/awarding?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,032 ✭✭✭visatorro


    You're right stock isn't there. Farmers money has to run out completely before they stop buying it seems. Horses for courses I suppose.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    You are so correct when you say the alot of people don't want to do the actual work of dairying.the gas thing is the way we have gone we will make our farming youngsters useless with a very limited set of skills and lacking that mindset that once made them much sought after by other sectors



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 112 ✭✭Downtown123


    Why are you losing €1000 profit on the remaining cows?

    The reality is Irish dairy farmers can’t have their cake and eat it. Dutch dairy farmers are spending savage money exporting slurry each year to stay under 170kg and then have to buy back their fertiliser in a bag.

    Stan in Meath if you want to find 40 acres of tillage land, give €600 per acre then you’ll keep supplying your 400k litres of milk at a cost of €23k.

    The issue is that lads are in west cork milking 70 cows at the upper end of derogation.

    You can find a solution and it’s more than doable. A lot of people can’t. Your scenario makes no one’s heart bleed though you are correct that it is economic suicide for firstly Irish DAIRY FARMERS. Then looking at a broader picture, “Irish agriculture” also loses out but most of them won’t ever make it clear what it actually costs them in terms of profit cause they won’t say what they’re making in the first place. Meanwhile farmers incomes plastered everywhere



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,382 ✭✭✭ginger22


    And run out it will next year. Nothing to stop milk price dropping into the low 30's or beyond. As long as there is cheap grain in America the dairy game is bo,,,,,d. No point giving out about CoOp boards. The reality is at the moment milk price is set by the bit of surplus product looking for a home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,214 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    But you always have lads paying silly money for stock. Charolaois sale yesterday 2 bulls over 15k not a year old yet. Dont get me started on the commercial heifer sales. Mad money, never to get a return on it.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,673 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Good point.

    If you only read the IFJ, you’d think there’s no one milking less than 100 cows (“the typical 100-cow farm” is how they refer to it) or no one-man operation anymore - everyone has labour, staff, employees, team, etc.

    The real danger here is “the industry” only reads the IFJ and the above is what they think is the “typical” dairy farmer. Throw in a wife who’s a teacher, 2.4 kids, and you’ve the perfect picture.



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