Northern Ireland 2125?

Because she wants to be elected to the gravy train that is the Irish Presidency.

Heather Humphries is a F.G. politician from Co. Monaghan, as we all know. She does not want to be shot dead by Republicans like that other F.G. politician from Monaghan, Billy Fox, or have her partners house burn down by republicans in a sectarian attack. Because that happened when Heather was younger it is bound not to have gone un-noticed, as have no doubt countless acts of intimidation not reported in the press.

Heard her speak on the radio once and she spoke about growing up in the Republic and her Dad telling her to keep quiet about the fact she is Presbyterian.

Even though she says she is now a "proud republican" she is still attacked by hundreds - yes, hundreds, of people on facebook etc telling her they do not want an orange about the place, they would not vote for someone with orange family history etc. The bigotry towards HH is there for all to see even though she says she is a republican and wants a U.I. Imagine what the bigotry and comments towards her would be like if she said she was not a republican or did not want a U.I.? There is intimidation for ye.

Given the last politician in the south to be killed was a republican and was killed by the UDA/UFF(with alleged collusion of the RUC) would Heather not have been afraid of attack when she came out as a 'proud republican'?

The OO has no place in an inclusive, equal and democratic society until it dramatically reforms itself.

Heather is no fool, she knows this, that is why she is so anxious to distance herself from it.

I thought the last politician killed in the Republic was Denis Donaldson, who had ties with S.F., and he was thought to have been killed by Republicans?

Of the hundreds of nasty comments on facebook etc none came from loyalists : all came from republicans. HH being a constitutional republican has noting to fear from loyalists.

The OO is not much different to the GAA or Sinn Fein or Catholic Church or Opus Dei, just the other side of the coin. The OO or any or the others are not illegal.

He still had ties to SF and is on the internet on a list of politicians killed in Ireland.

Heather H is getting hundreds of sectarian attacks from republicans as it is for her family background.

Imagine what the bigotry and comments towards her would be like if she said she was not a republican or did not want a U.I.?

You are admitting she is in "hot water" because she is a Presbyterian, albeit at least she is not a unionist Presbyterian. She would be in extremely hot water then, seeing as you mention the temperature of the water.

Even though she has received criticism / sectarian remarks from hundreds of republicans, how do you make out she feels shame at being connected to the OO? She was never in it herself or condemned it? I do not think she is bigoted towards it as you are?

Did not the Irish President a few decades ago invite members of Dublin and Wicklow lodges to Aras an uachtarain for tea and refreshments etc? I think she found out none had two heads or anything and all were decent people I'm sure. If they were good enough then to have about the place, why not good enough now? If there ever is to be a U.I. should we not tolerate all?

I am sure she feels uncomfortable being quizzed about her background: after all, her fellow Protestant FG Monaghan politician Billy Fox was murdered by extremist Republicans, in living memory. She does not want her family harmed ( Billy Fox's girlfriends home was burnt down by a gang of republicans in front of the family). On the radio she spoke about growing up in the Republic and her Dad telling her to keep quiet about the fact she is Presbyterian.

She was never in it so how could she distance herself from it?

As it is she has received many hundreds of sectarian remarks from republicans on facebook, even though she has said she is a "proud republican". She want to keep the attacks on her to a minimium, I would imagine : She wants to be elected.

What are you talking about "And the UDR/UFF with alleged collusion of the security forces were long after that killing 'proud republicans'."? The UDR/UFF had nothing to do with Monaghan F.G. politicians like Billy Fox or Heather H. Stop your whataboutery and do your research properly.

She never denied attending OO parades across the border prior to the troubles but obviously during the troubles it was much riskier to go to parades there, you may have no house to go to when you came back.

Do you condemn the hundreds of sectarian remarks from republicans on facebook, even though she has said she is a "proud republican" and wants a U.I.?

She was a proud republican and the UDR/UFF with alleged collusion of the security forces were long after that in 1991 killing 'proud republicans'.

The threat of being killed existed regardless of what she claimed to be.

She attended Orange Order events every year it has emerged, she was being less than truthful, she was also very flaky when asked about her husband.

These are facts and she will face more scrutiny on those facts without a doubt. Not from me, from the media and those chairing the upcoming debates.

I condemn sectarianism from wherever it comes. It isn't me who defends/handwaves away toxic sectarian bonfires is it?

How so?

All politicians as we know are attacked online.

I condemn that and any sectarian attacks on Heather.

Heather has been a Presbyterian all the time I have known her.

She hasn't tried to distance herself from her faith because there is no need.

She has tried to distance herself rather clumsily from the OO. If you are in denial of that story that is your issue.

If you are in denial that I have consistently condemned sectarian abuse while others here demand a right to do it and have condemned this abuse specifically then that too is just you clinging on to a mistruth.

What do you mean I am handwaving?

The sectarian abuse she is getting from some has nothing to do with me. Just as the sectarian abuse SF people get has nothing to do with you.

I condemn sectarianism whosever carries it out INCLUDING ANY Heather is getting.

If the issue is sectarian abuse take that up with those doing it.

I asked a question about Heather, if you want to address that, work away.

I didn't bring Heather up. Someone else did that and I asked a simple question.

If there is nothing wrong with the OO, as we are told, why is Heather so anxious not to be associated with it?

I'd imagine the point is that if the Orange Order was as benign an organisation as some suggest, someone from an historically Unionist enough background to have ancestors as signatories on the Ulster Covenant probably wouldn't be so eager to distance themselves from the OO.

I don't think it's a particularly strong point given that I have ancestors who signed it myself, but it would take a pretty intentional misreading of Francie's point to see it as intending any offense towards HH.

Yeh, it was a question to @downcow - a defender of the OO.

Francie speaks for himself, there isn't some hive mind of Republicanism that he is representative of. I believe he has been pretty consistent with his position that the OO needs reform.