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Northern Ireland 2125?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    "A bonfire is an inanimate object in iteslf and cannot be sectarian"

    A language is inanimate. Anyone can choose to learn it. But according to you it is offensive to people who have political will of staying in the union..... Cen fath?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,735 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    McDonalds does not have a single word of Irish on its website : it trialled allowing people to order in Irish but surprise surprise nobody does. If there was demand Supermacs would use a cupla focail, as it is was started and is still ran by an ex teacher from Galway, who knows nobody uses Irish.

    Tesco may have the word "failte" at its entrance, but my local garage has "Vorsprung durch Technik" at its entrance. Does not mean the people in the garage speak German.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,735 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Because Republicans have hijacked the language, same as they did with the Irish flag during the troubles. Republicans like Kneecap saying every word of Irish is a bullet for Irish Freedom helps reinforce the link between Republicanism and the Irish language.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,225 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The ongoing belief in the fantasy that 'nobody uses the language' or that the 'language was or is dead' is bizarre and indicative of the head in the sand mentality that, is losing, and will lose this culture war they started.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,735 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    If you think there is demand for the Irish language, why not persuade boards.ie to have half their pages in Irish, or Supermacs or Ryanair ( two of our most successful home grown companies ) to use a cupla focail? Believe me,they would if there was the demand. They know what way the wind is blowing.

    Now away with you with your talk of "culture wars" and "every word of Irish is a bullet for Irish Freedom".



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    When you go to McDonald's you can order in irish at the machines. That is fact. The Worlds biggest restaurant lets you order in irish here.

    Tesco which has the most amount of supermarkets in Ireland spends money on irish signs and irish is the infact the first sign you see when entering.

    The above blows to smithereens the claim that private companies dont spend money on irish. Biggest restaurant and supermarket here does. And thats just what i notice from day to day life and not google searches.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    What a load of bull..... i hate anything irish so my get out of jail card is blame the Ra for hijacking it as a way of justification for the hatred. Your mindset is in the colonial past. Seeing irish culture prosperous is a threat to the bygone colonial dominance. Live in 2025. Its a shared place.

    The language was around thousands of years before the Ra. Nearly every place name here derives from the language. Looks like your own surname does too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,225 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I agree.

    Shock horror - Irish republicans are interested and keen to see the Irish language promoted, what is the world coming to??? 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,735 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    I did not say you could'nt use Irish at the self ordering machines in McD. However nobody uses that, or orders in Irish at any other restaurant, so McDonalds do not even have a single word of Irish if you want to order a McDelivery on their website.

    So what if Tesco has a Failte sign at the entrance to their shop. My sister also has Failte at the entrance to her house, on the mat, but nobody speaks Irish in the house. There is not a single word of Irish on the Tesco website, as far as I can see.

    Your claim that private companies in Ireland spend money on Irish because Tesco have a few signs saying "Failte" is a bit comical…..probably about a millionth of Tescos budget.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,735 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    What has that to do with your talk of "culture wars" and "every word of Irish is a bullet for Irish Freedom", and taunting the unionists by putting large Irish language signs - the signs associated with SF/IRA and Republicans who say "every word of Irish is a bullet for Irish Freedom" in their areas?

    You cannot have it both ways.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,225 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,735 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    You cannot gloat in the party you support, SF, and how they can taunt the unionists by putting signs containing Irish in to their areas where a majority it opposed to Irish language on signage / getting their traditional signs changed at expense to the council , and gloat about each word of Irish being a bullet for Irish Freedom, on one hand, and on the other hand say you are respecting the wishes of the PUL community and Irish language has nothing to do with the bullying of Republicans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,225 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The 'majority' that legislated for Irish Language was not just SF.

    You need to get over that.
    Nobody is being 'bullied' by a majority decision if they are democrats.

    The logic of belligerent Unionism is that they could potentially be 'offended' by Irish language they glimpse anywhere.

    Well tough. They need to get over that as well. They are losing and will lose the culture war they started after a perfectly legitimate democratic majority vote, by blocking and foot dragging and mis-use of the PoC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    1. Can you back that claim up that nobody uses irish to order in McDonalds? Are you watching everyone?

    2. It was your claim that no non state companies spend money on irish. It is completely untrue. And if tesco think that irish signs are worth it despite you claiming it being a millionth of thier budget. Why cant the same be said for the belfast train station. The extra bit of text in irish would cost an additional gazilionth of the capital expenditure budget.

    But its not really about money is it. Public irish signs in NI is a threat to those sad bastards who have colonial mindset and irish public signage shows to those sad bastards that they no longer dominate. Nothing to do with money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,735 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    There you go again with your sectarian remarks about who you label as "sad bastards who have colonial mindset" just because they speak English and do not want millions wasted on signs in the Irish language when things are already named in the English language. If you go to a business event and you have a name badge "Peter Murphy", and everyone in daily life calls you Peter Murphy, and has done since you were born, only a sad bastard would want a dual language badge printed with Peadar Ó Murchú on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,735 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Tesco bought a few signs that say Failte, and in McDonalds a big mac's a big mac, but on the self service menu people have the option of calling it "An big mac". Neither have a word of Irish on their websites or anywhere else. How sad.

    Maybe you could get other private sector businesses to invest in the Irish language?

    Given the the Irish prefix for "super-" is sár, maybe you should convince Pat McDonagh owner of Supermacs to introduce a few words of Irish to his business? Maybe even call it Mac sár instead of Supermacs? If Belfast train station has to be lumbered with a dual language sign, should'nt Supermacs?

    Or maybe you think the Supermacs founder and owner is one of those "sad bastards who have colonial mindset", as you call them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,225 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Pat McDonagh is NOT blocking or having hissy fits over a democratic majority approved agreement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,735 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Then why did you and some other republicans have a hissy fit over the democratic majority approved agreement of the border referendum in 1973? And not only refused to accept it, but the pIRA kept up their failed bombing and armed struggle campaign.

    For those who may not know, the 1973 Northern Ireland border poll was a referendum held in Northern Ireland on 8 March 1973 on whether Northern Ireland should remain part of the United Kingdom or join with the Republic of Ireland to form a united Ireland. The referendum was boycotted by some nationalists and resulted in a conclusive victory for remaining in the UK. On a voter turnout of 58.7%, 98.9%, comprising 57.5% of registered voters, voted to remain in the United Kingdom, meaning the outcome was not affected by the boycott.

    And by the way, Pat McDonagh, despite having been a teacher before he set up Supermacs, has chosen not to have any Irish at all in his restaurants. He knows there is no demand and it would be a waste of money. Not one to waste money is Pat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    I am interested in peoples thoughts on this little clip from my Holmes highlighting the prejudice, in the South, against the PUL community. Right up to date in the last week.
    It doesn’t auger well for any united Ireland attempt



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,225 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    So the best you can do is…Unionists are paying Nationalists back for not voting in a Referendum way back in 1973?

    Claims busted along with any credibility tbh.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,225 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    'struggle to accept Protestant British identity'?

    Heather Humphreys, herself a Presbyterian, was 'struggling' to distance herself from the OO.

    If it is such a benign organisation why is the granddaughter of an Ulster Covenant signatory denying any current links to it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    If English was no longer generally spoken in England and only spoken in Australia and the USA, I would say that English had died out in England and the fact that there were a few Australians in England talking about blokes and Americans talking about garbage lots wouldn't change my view.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    A better response would be to list the actual real items that Sinn Fein did propose and discuss in Stormont.

    The problem with that is one of tumbleweed.

    Sinn Fein don't take governance seriously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    I'll try again;

    'Was someone in Fermanagh speaking West Ulster Irish speaking a native language the day before partition and an imported language the day after?'

    I note your weasel-word addition of, 'generally'. Despite your obvious intent, I'll disregard that.

    As you can't point to a time when there was no Irish spoken in NI, by your own reckoning Irish never died out there though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    No intention whatsoever on my part of going through the minutes to try defend SF, you're aware of my feelings on them; while not quite as obsessive, I hold them in similar regard to you.

    My point was on the blatant propaganda and how the same could be done with any party in any state, so I wouldn't describe it as, 'interesting' as it was presented.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    If the King's English was no longer being spoken in England and it was all Hiberno-English, Australian English and American English, I would say, yes, that the native English language is dead and that any English spoken is imported.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    My absolute hole would you say the English language was dead and, 'imported' if they were all speaking in a Geordie dialect instead of Received Pronunciation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,225 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    And that would be a reason not to support the imported English or cheerlead those trying to supress it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    Calling people sad bastards because they spend their time trying to stop something that doesn't affect them isn't sectarian. It isn't about money. If a private company whoes aim was to promote the indigenous language here was going to foot the costs for signs so the taxpayer wasn't affected these sad bastards who's minds are set in the colonial past will still be objecting and trying to stop it. Its because seeing public signs means they longer dominate which is threat to their colonial mindset. Notice alot off these sad bastards are flag obsessed. Raising a flag being colonial sign of conquering a place. That's why these sad bastards cant handle signs with irish being erected. Themuns get rights in our place we conquered.... boo hoo

    Don't get your point about the name badge either. If people call you a name its because you told them that was your name. Then you would expect that name to be on your name badge.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    When you go to order at a McDonald's machine you can choose irish. That is fact.

    I never met a person to order from thier website. Do macdonalds even do deliveries??? Most people order at the machines in thier restaurants and have the option to order in irish.... fact. Get over it. You are completely wrong stating no non state company spends money on irish. When the biggest restaurant in the world does and supermarket chain that has the most amount of irish stores.



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