Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

When you're dealing with a cult, you have to expect they will never see reason, or show any interest in hearing a stable viewpoint.

They're cultists that exist in the reality of their God, who's name is Donald Trump. There's no room for debate, there's no room for decency, there's no room for truth, there is only room for devotion of the dear leader, even if it means warping reality to please their idol.

Trying to get a Trump supporter to see reason or basic truth won't work, their minds are gone for good, they are too tied to his reality and live in it.

You may as well be trying hold back a tsunami with a kitchen towel as trying to debate or reason with a Trump supporter, it just can't be done. They neither care for reality or truth, they abhor debate, they dismiss fact and reason openly and are proud of this. They only exist to care about what the dear leader wants and says, and will defend to the last his reality which is now theirs.

Trump is their God now, and the faithful believe unconditionally. You're not dealing with rational people, your dealing with a cult who have drank the Kool Aid and went back for more.

This is the product of decades of the Christian nationalist war on education and decency manifest. Stupid people driven by hate find purpose in religious outlet, and that outlet right now in America is the full on worship of Donald Trump. You simply won't come between said people and their faith in their God.

There's no point in attempting debating or reasoning with a Trump supporter, they'll never hear nor respect your side of the argument, because their God won't allow it.

And now that that is the case, it means that anything that anything or any excuse is justified in protecting him. Trump could beat a baby to death with a hammer in the Oval Office, and his supporters would not only be not horrified, they would justify it by saying he prevented a Marxist from growing up to destroy America. When that's the level of devotion, there's simply no point in debating them in good faith, they have none.

Deplorables was too kind a word. Degenerates is a far better word, and they are.

In fairness at least two of those posters do have some weird values in general when it comes to things like Ukraine. So I'm pretty sure there's little that they wouldn't be good with.

Remember all those forestry workers sacked in February in a big blaze of MAGA glory? Well most are back working (in March) - but many didn’t return when invited and moved to other industries - even Biden had stopped recruitment of new staff throughout his term - and workers are feeling the pinch now with increased workloads and smaller crews.
Funny though- I had to go hunting for this information - plenty on the sackings but fewer articles around the reinstatement of workers
We knew all of the massacre back in the spring was a bit of showmanship - but I’d very much like to get a status update on all the workers impacted throughout the civil service job murders and just how many were taken back on and what was the cost to the state in terms of firing and rehiring and compensation?

I know the world has moved on to other things but I said at the time, this was illegal, pointless and would only ultimately cost the government money in terms of compensation and lost salary claims - I’ve seeing nothing yet to say this isn’t the case

https://www.seattletimes.com/life/outdoors/was-forest-service-staff-reinstated-but-future-firings-loom/

You know what?

I just wish Killsafe and MA and others would just have the balls to come out and say what they really are thinking.

"So what. Trump is being a petulant A-hole, but f*** it, the left deserve it.

I don't care if it is hypocritcal. I don't care that he lies through his teeth. I don't care that he is creaming in money off his position. I don't care about the average Joe Bloggs.

I only care that he winds the left up and I just want him to continue pi$$ing people off because that's what matters to me"

I would actually respect that more, instead of this mealy-mouthed, pi$$ poor attempts at debating.

Just to set the record straight: Voltaire did not say

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

That was said by someone else (Evelyn Beatrice Hall in 1906) who was explaining or defending Voltaire's views.

And the remark about the right to shout "fire" in a crowded theatre was made by Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes in a US Supreme Court case.

Free speech should be the default position, subject to 2 main exceptions: direct incitement to voilence and creating imminent danger to life.

Trump is obsessed by ratings, his Bible, comes from his days at "The Apprentice" as renewal of his contract was related to same, those funds kept him personally afloat during 6 bankruptcies and Trump Inc., on its knees.

You just proved his point.

Facts don't care about your feelings.

Touched a nerve I see.

Unfortunately for you, facts don't care about your feelings, and neither do I.

Is that why you're here?