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Limerick improvement projects

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,072 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    from Irish Examiner. Great and badly needed boost for the Limerick region. I love the new building.

    'A 99-bed private hospital has opened in Limerick, just two and a half years after construction began, with the Bon Secours hospital welcoming its first patients this week.

    It is the first hospital to be built and opened in Ireland since the private Beacon hospital opened in 2006 and the HSE’s Cork University Maternity Hospital opened in 2007.

    It was built by construction firm Sisk and is expected to treat more than 50,000 patients annually.

    The €213m investment includes the first private cardiac cath-lab for the Mid-West region, covering Limerick, Clare, and Tipperary, as well as neighbouring counties.'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,829 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Are we now going to lose doctors and nurses currently working in UHL though, making the overcrowding situation far worse?

    Not that it's the fault of the Bon Secours or indeed any of the doctors and nurses looking for better conditions but surely this is what it will lead to



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,068 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Yes. How many I couldn't tell you and is it enough to really cause a major problem I don't know.

    In terms of nurses word is it's more places like nursing homes will suffer with people wanting to move up to better paid hospital work.

    This is all anecdotal on my part.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,829 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I suspect that if UHL is as bad to work in as it is to be a patient in then there will be a mass exodus of nurses from there.

    The flip side is there's more capacity now for private patients so UHL should, in theory, also become less overrun



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,507 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Some of the staff in Barrington's have decided that they are not moving out to the new hospital so they may well end up in other areas of the health services.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,068 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The part of UHL that is overrun is A&E. This hospital won't really make an impact on that. UHL already has step down rehab beds in other sites available if needed so I don't think this new place makes a difference there.

    Unless I am very wrong the media reports calling this a "new hospital" are misleading. It Barringtons with the addition of new scans, services and beds for procedures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭Vanquished


    I get that an entitlement culture is deeply embedded in a lot of motorists but a harsh dose of reality is needed for such attitudes and mindsets.

    Archaic and primitive policies in favour of car prioritisation may still be the norm in Irish Local Authorities, one of the primary factors in our urban centres being so unnattractive. But as usual we are well behind the rest of Europe in terms of urban design, land use and transportation. Limerick city centre was surrendered to car dominance 60 years ago and the fortunes of the city centre from a commercial and residential standpoint have struggled ever since.

    Until Limerick Council realises that our ugly, neglected, cluttered and hostile streets are a major barrier to the development of sustainable communities of city centre residents and by extension attracting retail/commercial investment then we're forever going to be stuck in this tragic doom cycle.

    The lazy assertion that traffic must be funnelled through city centres has been debunked over and over again. Even Dublin City Council's recent findings showed that 60% of through traffic was using the city centre as a rat run. Helpfully Limerick has a three quarters of a billion Euro bypass intercepting all 5 national routes converging on the city. It also has arterial routes like Childers Road, Pa Healy Road, Northern Relief Road to carry traffic away from the city centre. The long promised signed orbital route along Parnell Street, Mallow Street, Henry Street, William Street etc would be useful also.

    Ultimately there is no reason whatsoever to use the city centre as a rat run and most certainly there is no rationale for the central portion of O'Connell Street to continue to be wasted on vehicular travel. The laziness and entitlement of motorists needs to be defeated for the greater good of the city centre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,829 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Interesting, I thought this new barringtons was meant to have an A&E, in any case, would the doctors at UHL's A&E not be qualified to work in other parts of hospital? So they might leave UHL A&E to go to a generic ward at Barringtons for example?

    Well it's physically a new building. It might be the old Barrington's name over the door and much the same staff working there but it is a brand new building with new equipment. So it's not massively misleading



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,068 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Ya technically it's a hospital and technically it's new but it is replacing an existing hospital and doing much the same type of service. Judging by what I hear people saying they think Limerick is getting a new full UHL style hospital.

    Look at the new surgical hub in Punches Cross and compare the levels of excitement between that new facility and this new "hospital" that so many are exited about. A fair bit of that is media driven and terminology based.

    I can just see the complaints on the street in a few years when everyone complaints A&E is still fuked despite a "whole new hospital" being built.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 936 ✭✭✭manna452121


    This new hospital has 170 beds.For people with health cover, who before had to travel to the Bons in Galway and Tralee for surgery etc,this will make things somewhat easier.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,068 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It will also be available for public patients free if referred by the HSE. It's a very welcome facility.

    I'm also personally excited about the road behind it because Ballysimon is possibly the unfriendliest road in Limerick for cyclists. Nice to have an alternative route.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,220 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Ya technically it's a hospital and technically it's new but it is replacing an existing hospital and doing much the same type of service.

    That's a bit disingenuous. There are 120 extra beds meaning a huge expansion of current services and the addition of services that weren't available at Barringtons.

    From their Linkedin.

    This new facility will transform day-care surgical treatments available in Limerick and incorporate a medical assessment unit. It shall provide new services such as cardiology, general medicine, endocrinology, neurology, and respiratory medicine and widens patient-centred services to a growing local population.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,068 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Same type of service as in it will by referred patients. It was speaking only about its relationship to UHL as was mentioned above where the overwhelming bad press is regarding A&E which is a very different type of hospital.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭Brennans Row


    The Examiner states that Sisk built the Bon Secour Hospital which is expected to treat more than 50,000 patients annually.

    About 300 current staff will move in, with up to another 300 to be hired over time.

    Then there is also the Bon Secours Clinical Services Hub built by the company Conack at the back.

    Looking at the images I would say that the size of their car parks could become an issue?

    Then again Northern Trust across the road has a massive car park which seems to be a surplus to their needs.

    Bon Secours Hospital.png Bon Secours - Clinical Services Hub.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,068 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Is it some sort of money or insurance scam that these places won't build multi-storey ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,507 ✭✭✭✭phog


    There's no staff car park so patients will be fighting with the staff for a parking spot. I think the hope is that the staff will use some sort of P&R



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,220 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    According to the planning docs the main hospital has 133 spaces in it's main car park and 85 spaces in the staff car park.

    The medical services building has 97 spaces.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,068 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Not a lot with 600 staff and those clowns Dublin Bus running the 310.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,507 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Whatever about planning documents, staff in Barrington's have been told they will have no staff car parking spaces out there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,507 ✭✭✭✭phog


    None but there's multiple, multi story car parks within walking distance of the hospital plus a far better public transport system to the city than the Ballysimon Rd but you know all that already.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,068 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Well they work for a private profit making company. They had fair warning that they are just pawns that their employer gives no fuks about.

    Post edited by breezy1985 on


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,220 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,926 ✭✭✭lisasimpson


    There is staff parking across the road in Northern trust



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,829 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    50,000 patients annually using 170 beds… So each individual bed will cater to about 300 patients annually? That's a lot of day-patients if so



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,146 ✭✭✭James Bond Junior


    My experience of having surgery in the current Barringtons was a case of trying to get me out the door by 6pm come hell or high water. I was in no fit state to be sent home but they needed me out so the ward could close for the night. The nurse was more concerned with me potentially delaying her getting home than my condition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,829 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Would the new hospital not have more over-night patients though? The old Barringtons was tiny by comparison



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,146 ✭✭✭James Bond Junior


    You'd hope so anyway. More like a Galway clinic hopefully.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,068 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    What new surgeries will they be doing that will require this that Barringtons doesn't do ?



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