Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

This is trump recently belittling the attempted murder of the husband of Nancy Pelosi:

Yeh, point taken. I'll let the NRA off on that one. Still a lot of Nazis in the US though.

I think you're looking at those two words, "left" and "liberal" far too literally.

Liberal to me can mean one of three things. In the US, it's another term for the American left. In France, it equates to the hard right in terms of laissez-faire free market capitalism. In the UK, liberalism has a rich heritage dating centuries back to the English Civil Wars of the mid-Seventeenth century.

As for left, well… yes. There isn't a left wing in the US if you insist on sticking by any kind of European definition. For instance, I would argue that the Democrats are actually a right-leaning centrist outfit akin to the UK's Conservative Party or Germany's Christian Democratic Union (Christian Social Union in Bavaria). The Tories went hard on the vaccine during Covid, implemented a ban on new petrol and diesel cars under Theresa May and are at least nominally committed to the NHS and further action on climate change.

Even the traditional definition of "left" has become obsolete in the US. It used to mean the Democrats along with Socialists and others. Now it just means anyone who doesn't fawn over Donald Trump. The American right need an enemy to knit their coalition together and maintain unity. They can't use China as that would mean picking a fight with an opponent capable of fighting back (and is actively doing so). They can't use the EU as there are surging fascist and far right outfits across Europe, most notably in Hungary and Italy that they feel ideologically aligned to.

They need a small, weak enemy that they can bully without consequence. Enter Muslims, trans people, LGB+ folk, anyone who isn't white, etc… along with their white, hetero, cisgender allies. We've seen stuff like this before in Italy and Germany in the 1930's. The lesson is that it isn't a long term solution. MAGA has captured the Supreme Court, various organs and agencies of the state and the Executive Branch of government.

They know on some level that they don't have the work ethic, the skill, the knowhow or the discipline to achieve anything. Ultimately, the MAGA movement in the US is made up of a hard core of failed, angry, hateful men. They're not out to build anything or to create something new. They just want to torment others and those in charge are only too happy to indulge in Bread & Circuses while the continue looting the country.

Is there no one remaining in the center anymore.

All I see is this thread is some posters using the actions of the other side to, let's say, deflect, from the actions their side. I use sides lightly here, as I'm sure no one is really on the side of some of these topics.

Killing Kirk, for his views, in public and in front of his family is completely wrong, and this unlawful killing should not be a consequence of free speech (that Kirk used)

Celebrating his death in public is wrong in different ways, and being fired for it is possibly justified as a consequence

Calling for homeless and drug addicts to be euthanized is definitely wrong, and that newsreader should be fired for this, which in more justified than an average worker, as a newsreader is in a position of responsibility.

Killing two Democratic senators is wrong

Death threats against Simon is wrong

Putin is wrong

Hamas is wrong (not the innocent Palestinian people)

Israel, i.e. government, IDF is wrong (not the Jewish people)

There are many many wrongs out there, I'm sure you can add to the list, but just because one side is wrong doesn't make the other side automatically right.

(I did not add Ukraine into the wrong list, but I'm sure if you dig deep enough there as some incidents were they are also wrong, but on a much smaller scale than Russia, but that would still be wrong in those incidents)

'Free' speech in the US differs greatly from most other democracies. Free speech in Ireland comes with the responsibility of the law. Law which doesn't allow the spewing of hatred at others.

Vance making a televised speech from the White House about his friend. . And he’s hosting Kirk’s show next time it airs.

An absolute bell end.

I wonder will the other MAGA's drop him now the leaders lost interest?

Yea I seen some images of them and they are disgusting. Absolute trash.

I know it might sound like a stupid distinction but I would rather call them neo-nazis rather than Nazis as I still think the term Nazi should be reserved for the actual ones in WW2 who were responsible for gassing and killing millions. Horrible people none the less.

Must be the first factual thing he's said in a while.

This reads exactly like what some others here wrote about labelling people. In your case, you're accepting a picture of him in a costume might be evidence of him being a right-wing radical while choosing not to ignore what others have been reported as saying about him as evidence, complaining that others ignoring what you have chosen to accept is bizarre. It seems to me that a lot of the "evidence" being quoted is tending toward hearsay.

"Smart people don't like me".

So by his own account, he thinks his followers are idiots? Wonder how they'll take the bad news?!!