Israel/Palestine Thread

The reality is if he wants to be president he needs to lose the military man mentality of being cold and clinical about warfare as he wont connect with people. Regardless of whether no 8, who claims not to know him, is right , the perception is that he supported what Israel was doing up until he perceived there was no military objective left to achieve. So it seems he doesnt criticise the methods employed or whether they were wholly disproportionate, only that the conflict has gone on too long. His defenders can argue its military legalese, the perception among the public is that he is giving cover to a state that has committed a litany of war crimes

I'd agree he needs to clear that up. He wouldn't entice my vote either in honesty, regardless of his stance on gaza because of the other things you mention. Even if he comes out and says he is willing to take up arms against Israel.

Just to add to this, a post in the presidential thread after the poll in the Sunday indo last week linked to a question in the poll, that only 3% of people regarded the situation in Gaza as an important reason for selecting a President. That seemed very small in the scheme of the reaction to government press releases condemning Israel.

Are you saying that the UK and the US do not assist with the refuelling of Israeli planes?

There seems to be a tacit recognition among western governments that Netanyahu is now completely out of control. The bombing of Qatar must have been a big shock and a wake up call for them. It's obvious that the Israelis would bomb the likes of Egypt, Saudi Arabia or Jordan now without even hesitating.

They share much of the blame for this of course. They provided cover for the war criminal for a long time, to the point where he felt (and feels) he has total impunity to do whatever he pleases.

A Drogue Adaptor? How does that work then?

Is it a bit like a travel adaptor, shove it on the front of an F35 and it miraculously enables it to be refueled by a different system?

The RAF is buying the F35a because it is the only variant that is capable of carrying nuclear weapons and won’t receive them until 2029. Refueling of them is an issue that needs to be resolved, but will probably be in collaboration with other NATO countries, rather than going to the huge expense of retrofitting its entire fleet.

Simple question. Why, when Israel has 14 aircraft that are capable of refueling its fighter planes, would it need the UK or US to do it for them?

While I agree with the central thrust of your post, I don't think Gavin is saying anything in support of Israel in his comments. I think he's merely trying to have his cake and eat it, by saying that it's "unconscionable" that innocents are still being bombed, but he thought that any "military" objectives that Israel may have had - he makes no mention of what they actually were - were already achieved.

His choice of words in his remark are undoubtedly clumsy, to say the least, but I'm not of the opinion that he's trying to throw his lot in with Israel.

TBH, it's impossible to discern what Gavin's position on the topic is from his statement.

It is somewhat ironic, however, that it was Simon Harris who leapt to Gavin's defence with his take on matters when he said "…the situation in Gaza is clear. The Irish Government, the people of Ireland, have never equivocated in relation to this. It is a genocide. It needs to end. And we’re seeing the slaughter of innocent civilians. We’re seeing the starving of children…We’re seeing a man-made famine in 2025 and the Government — all parties of the Government, all parties in the Government — we’ve been working together at every opportunity to voice that view."

that’s cool. Is there also a patent for a flux capacitor to go with it, so jets can travel through time as well?

You’re looking for some grand conspiracy (or trying to justify PAG’s erroneous excuse for daubing RAF voyagers with red paint). Either way, you are clearly wrong in your assumptions. Simply not being able to answer the “why” with little more than “tHeY’rE all At It” is reason enough to think this.

I very very much doubt Jan 6th like attack(sure isn't Israel a peaceful loving democracy) but i would bet everything i own it will be done in a far far more dark,secretive manner…..he will cling on for dear life as long as trump is president,the trump presidency is their golden ticket, that last time they did not act upon but are making up for that mistake now and he can do as he pleases and like a fart in the wind will be gone when trumps gone……

A few more to add to the list. Been pretty vocal and pro-active from the very start those ones.

The ‚global south’ believe that it is only Putin who can orchestrate that punch in the face. It seems that he is on a right path to achieve that.

As for Israel, they know that to gain a full hegemony of the region they need to defeat Iran. That cannot be done without American troops on the ground.

To deliver the actual punch in the face Putin needs the Americans in Iran too.

Post 9/11 this was certainly a discussion for boots on the ground in Iran after Iraq……Again with no end game for Iraq they were so bogged down there i did not materialize……Devasatating that this didnt happen for not just the US but also a certain Netanyahu as the man said himself"…It’s very good.”It will generate immediate sympathy.” And how it would “strengthen the bond between our two peoples, because we’ve experienced terror over so many decades, but the United States has now experienced a massive hemorrhaging of terror.”…..On the same day 9/11 happened those are his comments…..So-so much more he's said in the following years…..Sick Sick puppy