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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,932 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    European Parliament votes 171 in favour, 378 against, and 34 abstentions, on an the amendment accusing Israel of genocide. The amendment also called on the EU to cease all forms of assistance that enable the atrocity.

    The entire Centre Right, most of the liberal Renew Europe group, a small handful of Socialists and Greens and most of the Far Right voted against.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,157 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Nobody has better surveillance software than the Israelis and they have former military personnel in senior positions at US high tech firms. On top of that, their software is used at Google.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,596 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Lot of chatter at the moment that Iran and Israel are close to going at it again.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Someone should do the World a favour and flush the toilet in Brussels.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    This is the monster that the World has to stop.

    "There will never be a Palestinian state. This place is ours," Netanyahu said during a visit to the illegal Ma'ale Adumim settlement in the West Bank where thousands of new housing units would be added.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,341 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    You'd be knee deep in the pisswasser as it's bunged up with ****.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,847 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    It hints that as a lifelong member of the military, he is using the exact language of the Laws of Armed Combat to make his point. It comes across indelicate, but is essentially the military version of legalese.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭Fuascailteoir


    What was his point? That the military objectives had been accomplished and then the attack on Gaza should have ceased? When did this occur. The slaughter of civilians and attack on civilian infrastructure happened straight away so not sure what point this happened at



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,157 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Unfortunately, there is some truth in that. I suspect Israel has plans to retaliate against any country that has criticized it. On that front we are much more vulnerable to pressure via America than the likes of Norway, for example.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,847 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The LOAC are complicated and it was far from clear that Israel breached them at the start of their campaign - as unpleasant as the results of their actions were. It is the same reason most of those who study genocide were mostly unwilling to call it as such until relatively recently. Someone with significant training in the LOAC is going to comment on the situation in those parameters. Any "legitimate" military aim stopped being feasible quite some time ago, but by international law much of what they are doing is only wrong because there is no legitimate military aim.

    Basically his response was couched in the language actually used in the Laws of Armed Conflict - which is unsurprising given his lifelong military service, but that makes it comes across somewhat cold to a general audience.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭Fuascailteoir


    I wouldn't agree with that at all as there was an abundance of existence that Israel was directly targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure early on. Entering hospital and shooting up medical equipment. Binding civilians and shooting them in the head. Meeting the parameters for genocide is one thing, directly assaulting and murdering civilians and destruction if civilian infrastructure is another. This was not hidden at any stage and was well documented firm the start by the IDF themselves. Listening to the justification. From the Israeli government holds no water and was clear they were lying



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,651 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Seems Qatar may actually be pretty p*ssed at Israel. Trump too apparently:


    Qatar is pressuring the UAE to take immediate diplomatic measures against Israel, including closing its embassy in Tel Aviv, as part of its response to the Israeli strike in Doha, diplomatic sources in Gulf states told Haaretz.

    A regional diplomat told Haaretz that Qatar does not intend to ignore the strike, and is considering multiple measures. "The gloves are off," the diplomat said.

    U.S. President Trump told PM Netanyahu that his decision to strike Hamas' leadership in Qatar wasn't wise, the Wall Street Journal reported, citing sources who described the exchange as heated. According to the report, Trump received no prior notice of the strike, and learned about it from the U.S. military as it was happening. A senior Trump administration official told the WSJ that Trump is growing frustrated with Netanyahu's aggressive tactics, which often blindside the U.S. and act contrary to American interests in the region.

    After Netanyahu warned Qatar on Wednesday to either expel Hamas officials or "bring them to justice. Because if you don't, we will," Qatar described his remarks as "reckless." Later on Thursday, Qatar announced that it will host an emergency Arab-Islamic summit next Sunday and Monday to discuss Israel's attack on Doha.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,651 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Word on the street is the attack on Qatar was a bit of a cock-up and the alleged War Criminal's focus on avoiding his corruption trial means he continues to ignore cooler and wiser heads


    "The celebrations proved premature.

    Nearly two days after the Israel Air Force strike in Qatar, suspicions are mounting that the operation failed to achieve its stated objectives.

    Hamas and the Qatari government have maintained strict silence about the results, but at this stage it appears that fewer senior Hamas officials were harmed in the bombing than initially believed.

    More significantly, it has emerged that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu approved the attack despite opposition from most of Israel's senior defense officials and in defiance of stern warnings about the move's potential negative impact on a hostage deal"

    Amos Harel



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,651 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    These three pieces are very interesting.

    Hamas leadership may see the failed attack as an opportunity perhaps - demonise Israel and appeal to hostage families thus getting them to pressure the Israeli Govt?

    Egypt has no love for Israel but clearly stating what the consequences are if Netanyahu has a pop at negotiators on Egyptian soil.

    Hostage mother says it as it is…


    Hamas leadership intends to continue cease-fire negotiations despite Israel's strike in Qatar, sources in the organization told the Saudi daily Asharq Al-Awsat, adding that contacts with mediators would resume in the coming days, and that Hamas would hold internal consultations to determine how to conduct the talks "to guarantee an end to the war regardless of what happened in Doha."

    Egypt has discussed reviving Gaza truce talks with the U.S. and has offered to host and protect Palestinian faction leaders, Lebanon's Al-Akhbar reported. Egyptian sources said that as of Wednesday, these efforts had made little progress "given Israel's refusal to apologize" for the strike. Officials in Cairo warned that any Israeli attempt at an assassination on Egyptian soil would have "devastating consequences." 

    Anat Angrest, mother of hostage Matan, told Israel's Army Radio that she believes IDF officials aren't speaking out publicly against the war in Gaza because "everyone who has spoken in favor of a deal up until now has been dismissed and replaced – we are living under a dictatorship" in which everything hinges on the decisions of one man.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,651 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Israel is carrying out ethnic cleansing and Herzog was being coy yesterday - Haaretz reports what happened - he got handed his ar*e.

    • U.S. Senators Jeff Merkley and Chris Van Hollen, who visited Israel and the West Bank in late August, published a report categorizing Israel's policy in Gaza as ethnic cleansing and condemning the Netanyahu government for blocking aid to the Strip.

    • U.K. Prime Minister Keir Starmer urged Israeli President Isaac Herzog in Downing Street on Wednesday to change course over Gazahis office said, voicing deep concern over the humanitarian crisis and calling on Israel to allow aid in and halt its offensive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,651 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    seems Egypt might be key in unlocking a deal… Interesting piece:

    "When it comes to Hamas and Gaza, Egypt and Qatar differ in several ways.

    Doha supports Muslim Brotherhood-affiliated terror organizations, Hamas included, whereas Egypt fights them.

    Cairo is committed to regional stability while Qatar leverages its potent Al Jazeera mouthpiece to undermine it.

    Egypt's record of mediation successes between Israel and Hamas outweighs Qatar's too.

    And when it comes to motivation, unlike the distant Gulf emirate, what happens in Gaza directly affects Egypt's national security.

    Consequently, were Egypt again to take center stage, all who pray and yearn for the negotiations' success may have gained a new occasion for hope"

    Nimrod Novik



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,651 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Fair few ME countries seriously p*ssed at Israel. Iran may well feel emboldened.

    I'd say Israelis are pretty nervous at the moment after the 12 day war and the attacks they suffered.

    Israel just made the region even more unstable - possibly to their detriment. Unpleasant times ahead for everyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,651 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    The world would breathe a sigh of relief if some brave Israelis nabbed him and bundled him on a plane to The Hague.

    I'd bet there are lads in the IDF, maybe even Mossad, who would "assist".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 895 ✭✭✭no.8


    Idk but his first sentence clearly points against your efforts to smear. I mean, a critical view (from say former military personnel) would be to evaluate their operations that way. E.g. why are they still bombing, they must have hit any target worth of value to them.

    Maybe his technical view is not to your liking but to imply that he thinks the slaughter of all the innocent civilians in the Gaza strip is acceptable is really stretching it and reeks of misinformation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 895 ✭✭✭no.8


    Thank you. This is exactly my thought on this. The OP is playing a dangerous game discrediting a man with accusations like that. I don't know JG at all but how could someone realistically imply such thoughts without a level of bias.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,651 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Israel has retaliated against everyone already - some more than others.

    If they do it again, there'll be a collective shrug and "there goes that lot crying wolf again". Followed by tumbleweed.

    I doubt the US would get too snotty with anyone marginally boycotting Israel after their latest stunt. And I'd imagine most Americans think "Eurovision" is an EU tv station.

    "Goddam Irish are refusing to sing if Israel go on stage - throw everything including the kitchen sink at those goddam antisemites"

    being uttered by any American has the same likelihood as

    "McGregor wins landslide against Gavin and takes his seat as President."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,651 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I read a piece today that alluded to that. Can't recall where I'm afraid.

    But Gavin simply stating what a typical military analyst would say - nothing underhand or nefarious. Maybe "clumsy" but no more than that.

    I certainly didn't read his statement myself as any kind of support/justification at all. He does not strike me as that type of person at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,404 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    I wonder, how far Bibi would go to stay in power and avoid the corruption trial.

    Could we see a january 6th style attack after the next election, if there's an election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭Fuascailteoir


    I have watched the interview again. He said that the continuation of the bombing is unconsciousable when he believes that the military objectives have probably been reached in this campaign. That is a totally unacceptable position to adopt given that there were atrocious, clear and sustained breaches of international humanitarian law form day one. The objectives of the campaign wel spelled out clearly by the Israeli government and IDF from day one.

    Really needs to come out and speak a little clearer and clarify his thoughts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,932 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    UNSC condemns the strike in Qatar but does not mention Israel did it. Still significant though because it has been nearly 5 years since the UNSC has criticised something Israel has done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,359 ✭✭✭brickster69


    The apartheid state sticking two fingers up at the organization that created them. Israel bombs 6 countries in 48 hours and walks away laughing their caps off without even an avocado getting sanctioned. Quite comical when you think about it.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,869 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Extremely ironic for Danon to claim hamas are "commanders of massacre and barbarism" when Netanyahu commands exponentially worse massacre while suited and in the safety of his government buildings.

    The UN again is being shown up as being powerless in today's world

    Post edited by sydthebeat on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    My efforts to smear him for supporting Israel's genocide!

    Let us examine your own language. You are accepting Israel's right to destroy "targets worth of value" in Gaza. The hospitals, the places where people live, the business premises, the waste water system, the energy infrastructure, the transport infrastructure, the cultural heritage, the churches, the journalists, the ambulances, the little girl crying in a car because a tank is firing shells at her.

    On what basis are you giving Israel this right? On the basis that they have still not completed their ethnic cleansing after 80 years? That there are still Palestinian children and babies who could join the Palestinian armed forces when they are older?

    I don't want a President that supports Israel's right to commit ethnic cleansing, genocide, and murder. I want a President who wants the Israeli leaders and military brought to the Hague.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,932 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Obviously an illegal position Israel is taking. They only would make the determination that Hamas is hiding out in a country, and would then bomb them, even if the government of the targeted country was not aware of it? There is something called extradition, though Israel doesn't have diplomatic relations with Qatar and both the Israeli regime and Hamas are criminal on this conflict in my opinion. Gaza should be returned to the Palestinian Authority .

    Reports a Qatari Lance Corporal was killed in the Israeli strikes.

    I think this strike will cause a reconsideration in Arab capitals about the value of alliance with the US if it won't protect them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,028 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    And which of the presidential candidates said the supported Israels right to commit ethnic cleansing or genocide?

    I'd say of ask any of them they will say they want anyone guilty of such crimes brought to justice. Like a lot of others, you're looking for the president to be judge and jury and executioner. Unfortunately that's not in any presidents remit.



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