Donald Trump the Megathread part II

scottser · 11-09-2025 12:59AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123805001#Comment_123805001

Hard disagree.

He was finally given the consideration he showed to others. Anyway, now we all have to listen the MAGA **** on their high horses eulogising about this wanker for the next week or so.

Manic Moran · 11-09-2025 01:33AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123804939#Comment_123804939

Are they? I assume you have seen the multiple memes about “if guns we’re treated the same as cars” or “if women had the same rights as firearms”?

There is a benefit to car ownership despite the 40,000+ deaths by automobile accident in the US. There are few rational benefits to the 180,000 alcohol-related deaths in the US each year., though I think most of us (myself included) will partake of that particular drug. The US even tried banning the latter, it didn’t end well. And there is benefit to firearms ownership despite the 46,000 deaths in the US per year.

There may certainly be a debate as to the balance of merits of firearms laws in the US, and I suspect we are on opposite sides of that debate, but to deny that there are merits to consider in addition to the downsides is to be willfully ignorant.

FAILSAFE 00 · 11-09-2025 01:53AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123805056#Comment_123805056

You sound like a deranged extremist.

You'd be alright offing anyone that doesn't share your messed up ideology.

ceadaoin. · 11-09-2025 01:59AM

One things for sure, between the video of the poor girl being murdered in cold blood and this assassination, and some of the reaction to it, trump and the republicans are going to have a lot more supporters this week. All the killer has achieved is making him into a martyr

joseywhales · 11-09-2025 02:31AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123805072#Comment_123805072

There are merits to almost every argument, it does not imply that every argument is worthy of debate.

In the comparison of cars and guns, the utility of cars is clear, they are required for our modern economy with all of its conveniences, to function. The utility of gun ownership barely merits a mention in comparison to car ownership. One is designed to end human life which our society is primarily concerned with preventing. You can argue that it's just a practical necessity in our society to make gun ownership ubiquitous, though any argument based on righteous protection will always be based on subjective moral judgement but it's objectively an insane premise, giving a population that consistently expresses aggression and lack of rational self control, more access to tools that can kill humans. That's not even mentioning the many practical examples of nations with less guns who seem to function just fine.

charlie14 · 11-09-2025 02:34AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123805079#Comment_123805079

If that is true then would it not follow that the support for those opposed to Trump grew with the assasination of Minnesota politician Melissa Hortman, her husband Mark, the shooting and wounding of U.S. Senator John Hoffman and his wife Yvette, and I haven`t seen anything to suggest that being the case.

joseywhales · 11-09-2025 02:39AM

Martyrdom only works for subjects who knowingly endure suffering for an ideological cause, sacrificing their own interests behind those of the group. And then dying in the pursuit of that cause. I don't think that's the case here. Even if it's pushed , it won't feel organic, I doubt it'll work.

FAILSAFE 00 · 11-09-2025 02:46AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123804764#Comment_123804764

That's a load of far left horse ****.

Using labels like "Nazi" and "fascist" is the type of hyperbolic shite that leads to political violence that the far left have been inflicting on society in the U.S for the last few years.

That needs to stop.

The guy at best was a right leaning conservative who openly debated and conversed with people in universities all over the the U.S. The guy promoted non violence and open discussion, his belief that when people don't talk that's when violence occurs.

A 31 year old with 2 young children.

joseywhales · 11-09-2025 03:03AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123805084#Comment_123805084

The far left(whatever that is, are we talking Soviet Union here?) is hardly responsible for all or even most political violence. There are numerous attacks recently on Democrats, some of whom also died. It's unfortunately prevalent among all psychopaths equally.

AbusesToilets · 11-09-2025 03:47AM

https://www.wired.com/story/far-right-reactions-charlie-kirk-shooting-civil-war/

One might almost think they were gleeful to have an incident to justify their desire for further authoritarian oppression and violence. Funny how that works.

Tell me how · 11-09-2025 04:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123804091#Comment_123804091

This is exactly what I was talking about.

Two Democrat lawmakers killed in Minnesota in June, nothing like this was said then. When Nancy Pelosi's husband was attacked, these same people joked about it and now these hardline conservatives have got the event they wanted to drive their agenda.

Trump will use this to target Democrat districts, cities and organizations between now and the mid terms. The same guy who told his followers to fight like hell before they stormed the Capitol in the insurrection and then pardoned all of them for doing so.

somenergy · 11-09-2025 04:27AM

The far right have done so much damage in the last 8 months and hit new highs of hiporacy with a leader who is a lying convicted felon and rapist who moans and whines is turning US into a fascist state supports Russia and Israel no sympathy here.

Release the files as was promised

everlast75 · 11-09-2025 04:52AM

A lot.of lurkers on this thread are suddenly animated by any post that hints that Kirk contributed in some way shape or form to gun violence in the US,, or by any post that displays a general lack of sympathy.

However, none call for gun control as a result, which would be a logical conclusion, none accept his overall role in gun violence over the years and absolutely not a solitary one was on here commenting on how awful the hammer attack was on Pelosi's husband, or the gunning down of the Democrats weeks ago, or the riots caused by Trump's direct actions and words.

Seems to me some here aren't posting in food faith.

dogbert27 · 11-09-2025 04:56AM

Just when Trump appeared to be on the ropes with the release of the Epstein birthday book and Republicans beginning to show cracks in support a convenient assassination of a prominent MAGA voice but with now direct connections to Trumps cabinet happens.

Within hours all Republican / MAGA voices and news outlets are blaming democrats and declaring war has begun. This, without the gunman being at the time found and identified and is still at large.

This puts the democrats on the back foot defending themselves and will be used to try to shut them down. There will be some bullsxxxt executive order, the Charlie Kirk Order, that will put the National Guard in every blue state.

This is Trump's America. Lacking in integrity and full of insanity.

everlast75 · 11-09-2025 04:57AM

Meanwhile, Trump continues to show the world what an utterly disgusting and reprehend piece of **** he is...

Trump: "For years those on the radical left have compared wonderful Americans like Charlie to Nazis. This kind of rhetoric is directly responsible for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country and it must stop right now. My administration will find each and every one of those who contributed to this atrocity and to other political violence, including the organizations that fund it and support it, as well as those who go after our judges and law enforcement officials."

Anyone with the ability to think critically (a skill sadly lacking in the US these days) will notice the utter utter hypocrisy in talking about protecting judges and police officers, and the blatant use of this awful incident to excuse a further power grab.

He is a thoroughly despicable human being.

dogbert27 · 11-09-2025 05:09AM

Before what happened with Charlie Kirk there were 47 school shootings in the US this year.

Straight after the Charlie Kirk incident there was another shooting at a Colorado school / university with 3 to 4 people injured which isn't making the news due to the Charlie Kirk incident.

By the end of the year there will be more than 1 school / university shooting every week of the year in the US and this is being treated as a normal part of that society.

rogber · 11-09-2025 05:10AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123804594#Comment_123804594

He was very pro gun ownership? Then I'll spare my sympathy for someone else. You support that idiotic policy you can't complain if one day you're the victim of another idiot with weapons. Tough for the wife and kids, yes, but the wife is probably pro guns and pro Trump too, so knew the risks

OneEightSeven · 11-09-2025 05:14AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123805039#Comment_123805039

George Floyd was a scumbag. He was a drug-user who broke into a woman's home and held a gun to her stomach, while his accomplices searched for drugs and money. This is what scumbags do.

Manic Moran · 11-09-2025 05:23AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123805080#Comment_123805080

And therein lies the fundamental difference in our position. You believe that as the firearm has the designed effect of causing harm that it inherently must be bad regardless of any benefit. Yet an equally valid position is that it is a protective tool which has the regrettable frequent effect of killing people. Were there an equally effective, less lethal tool for the job, I would use that. I wager so would every police force around the world, including the Gardai of whom, if memory serves, one in three personnel are certified to carry a firearm if deemed necessary. Even in Japan, where violent crime rates are so low that if a Japanese policeman draws his weapon it is a remarkable event, they still carry a firearm. I doubt you would claim that police are armed because they want to kill people, there must be another reason. That reason is it is the best tool as yet invented for the job of protection. This is in the USian or Czech context. Countries like Finland or Cyprus have different priorities for civilian firearm ownership (though they are not entirely inapplicable to the US situation).

We have a separate thread for firearms policy, school shootings, etc, if you wish to debate the moral merits or the statistics of the two positions, but I reject any position that there is no rational basis positive to firearms ownership. I think we need go no further on that matter here on this thread.

Jizique · 11-09-2025 05:44AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123805110#Comment_123805110

Serves his wife and kids right due to the fact that they are "pro Trump"? Is that really the depth to which you have sunk

pjohnson · 11-09-2025 06:09AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123805122#Comment_123805122

I mean presumably she shared her husbands view that shootings were acceptable so long as the 2nd amendment is safe. A large number of Americans value their guns higher than life. She'll just buy another gun and be happy out again, thats the American way.

Also says a lot that theres more uproar over Kirk than there was Sandy Hook.

Detritus70 · 11-09-2025 06:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123805116#Comment_123805116

WHAT BENEFIT?!

There is none! You are living in a violent third world country necessitating the need for a gun. That's not a benefit, that's living in some kind of post apocalyptic hellscape.

It's just cosplaying as cowboys or Rambo for idiots. And any mentally deficient idiot can buy a gun at Walmart. A car is a necessity and you don't even have to own one because there are alternatives.

Guns are like pickup trucks for most people. They absolutely do not need to own one. At best it's just dickless posturing at worst, well, we're seeing it right now. You can own a gun in Germany but any application for a gun with the reason "because I want one" gets turned down. Because anyone who wants to own a gun just cause should never be allowed to do so.

Americans are like crack heads when it comes to guns. The US is a giant toddler as a country. It's just pitiful at this stage. Your country is on a very rapid decline and it looks like it's due to a massive mental health and educational crisis. And you guys are absolutely not interested in changing that so this will continue to happen and get worse.

Here's my thoughts and prayers.

nullzero · 11-09-2025 06:18AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123805110#Comment_123805110

His kids are 1 and 3 years old.

They're pro having naps and bottles of milk at regular intervals.

This has to be one of the most disgusting things I've seen written about this murder and there has been some beauts of posts on boards since the man died.

rogber · 11-09-2025 06:20AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123805122#Comment_123805122

Nowhere did I say it serves them right. I'm against any kind of violence. But if you support a stupid policy like widespread gun ownership and then get killed by a nutter with a gun you really don't have any defence. It's not hard to understand. He was killed as a result of the kind of American stupidity he actively promoted, and anyone who married a guy like that almost certainly has the same views.

salmocab · 11-09-2025 06:20AM

gun worship by fools who will justify their fetish is the cause of all these deaths. They’ll hide behind their great lines about security and rights but it’s all horse ****. They love guns and people dying is a price they are willing to pay. Nothing will change they don’t care really.

The White Wolf · 11-09-2025 06:20AM

Having slept on it, my position is the same. I am very sorry for his family, and the fact that his murder was broadcast to the world.

Having said that, I'm just annoyed at how pointless this was, whatever the motivation of the shooter was and is, because we've already seen that this will only embolden the message Kirk and his ilk have spread.

I believe that utter joke Lauren Boebert said something along the lines of silent prayers brings silent action, and it's obvious what message she is sending to the nutjobs on her side.