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Donald Trump the Megathread part II

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 427 ✭✭Greengrass53


    This guy actually said gun deaths "unfortunately " worth it to preserve 2nd.amendment. I ask you....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,073 ✭✭✭✭markodaly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,073 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Why not call him a Maoist, Stalinist and Communist while you are at it? A full house of -isms there.
    Of course, what you say about him is grossly exaggerated, but I guess that's the point.

    'Other' the opponent, so they deserve to die..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,353 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Fox News literally playing the martyr card already I see

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,667 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Charlie Kirk was a man who merrily stoked tensions with inflammatory, hateful rhetoric. Then he headed off to his mansion in an exclusive neighbourhood to count his money, well away from the consequences of the discord he was sowing.

    There are appeals not to celebrate his death because one disagreed with him. His death shouldn't be celebrated, but nor should it be used by other commentators to bolster their profile and further inflame things for profit. Things don't just happen to other people. Lower tone needed for everyone's benefit.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,401 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    If someone made the same argument about car ownership and said allowing car ownership was worthwhile even if there were people killed on the roads every year, everyone would agree it was a perfectly rational point to make.

    I assume the next time a pro immigration leftist is killed by an immigrant you'll argue their death was deserved because they were in favour of allowing unrestricted immigration?

    Obsession with politics in America that is the issue, they support their political causes like it's a cult and therefore don't seem to be able to tolerate people who have an opposing view.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,353 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    They're some shockingly bad comparisons.

    I do agree with your last paragraph though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,678 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Any debate interaction where Kirk and his team don't have editorial control always resulted in his positions being destroyed. Even with the 20 v 1 debate he did for Right Wing channel Jubilee, he came off quite poorly and that was in an environment geared towards him "winning".

    The Cambridge union handed him his arse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,232 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    A dude who dropped out of community college trying to position himself as an intellectual authority is up there with Ben Shapiro becoming a sex therapist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,667 ✭✭✭✭briany


    We don't say that road deaths are acceptable, though. There have been all kinds of things brought in to limit who can own and operate a car and how it can be legally used - speed limits, drink limits, tests to prove proficiency and bans if you break these rules.

    Most gun control advocates in the States realise that outright gun prohibition is largely off the table. All they want is to have it so you can't buy them so easily and/or prove a degree of mental fitness to own such potentially lethal weapons. Not actually a lot to ask.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,035 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Funnily enough, he might have been the very one to say it was.

    Not looking so clever now, is he?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,401 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    If people said that anyone in favour of mass immigration getting killed by an immigrant was them getting their comeuppance they would be righly pilloried for such a view.

    however it seems to be ok now to argue that people in favour of gun ownership getting shot is them getting their just desserts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,353 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    You're skipping over the part where you tried to make some sort of bizarre attempt at an equivalence between road deaths and gun deaths.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,972 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    We should treat people humanely, even if their own ideology is cruel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,089 ✭✭✭eire4


    And cars are not specifically designed and made to kill, guns are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,523 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Cars have great utility beyond just killing humans, guns only exist to kill humans( hunting rifles excluded), therefore there is no equivalence between cars and guns



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,366 ✭✭✭threeball


    Medhi Hassan made him look like a complete ignoramus, which of course he was.

    He dedicated his live to sowing division and hate. To arguing nonsensical positions and pushing fabrications and lies.

    No, he didn't deserve to die for that but we're talking about a guy that had little empathy for the victims of school shootings, who couldn't give a damn how many Palestinian children died from bombing or starvation. Who was happy to watch hard working immigrants arrested and imprisoned for no other reason than the whims of his ilk.

    Its just ironic that he died in a way that he spent his life defending. I feel sorry for his kids. But he sowed alot of hate in his time on earth.

    Trump will now use this to clamp down on universities and further his agenda. Kirk may just have contributed in a way he never imagined to creating the state he had argued so long for.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 96,572 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


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    There have been at least 299 mass shootings in the United States so far this year - depending on where you move the goalposts.

    it's a daily event. https://k12ssdb.org/all-shootings lists 158 incidents so far this year.

    In the US it's almost certain there will be another shooting during a news cycle about a shooting. There is no need to fake shootings, just have to be ready to exploit them for political ends.

    Like the Reichstag fire it's whether the powers that be use it as a pretext and how far they go with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,885 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    Lool one of those right leaning folks was shot dead.

    Lol lol, media, haha far right, haha.

    You're disgusting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,885 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    So far from consequences he was shot dead.

    You win this argument for sure.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 295 ✭✭Toranaga


    That was Charlie Kirk who made that equivalence actually at the same time he was talking about some gun deaths are worth it to protect the 2nd amendment.

    Only earlier today he was defending the number of gun deaths, asking how many of the ones that have been committed are to do with gang violence, as if those people are lesser humans and don't matter. A couple of minutes later he was killed by a very large gun.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,838 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    So is Trump going to send the military to occupy Utah then?

    By the way Charlie Kirk once said about the Second Amendment.

    "I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights."

    And he called George Floyd a scumbag in the aftermath of his murder.

    Ok Charlie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,035 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I didn't kill him.

    Charlie Kirk and people like him, people around Trump and MAGA, dragged the discourse to this place. This inhumane place.

    They can keep their faux dismay over this killing. It was entirely predictable. As will be the ones yet to come.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,609 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    Expect this thread to be closed down as the Charlie Kirk thread has been if people keep mentioning his killing.

    Boards who needing to keep the lights on just to keep going are going woke and it will kill the site even more than it's cr@"p software.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭scottser


    I would much rather one of those MAGA **** getting killed than another starving Gazan child or pregnant Ukrainian widow.

    Anyway, you can't honestly tell me that youre surprised by political violence in the US? Kirk hates the very democracy that allows his platform to speak and works to deny it of others. US is heading for an event that will allow Trump to invoke emergency powers and cement his place as King Donny the First.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭scottser




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,714 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    **** Charlie Kirk, but **** that **** who shot him.

    America is completely fucked.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,367 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Consider the alternative. “You want people who have mental health conditions to fly aircraft?!”

    It’s not an irrational attitude, even if it tends to drive those who need help underground. Something similar happened about ten or fifteen years ago with veterans. “You want people with mental health conditions to own firearms?l”

    The fear of the effects drove people to suppress seeking the solution. In effect, the counter argument to “pilots should not be afraid to seek help for a mental health condition” is “you want people who have issues with their mental health to keep their jobs flying airliners.” That the politicians didn’t see it as a vote winner (regardless of the actual merit) is hardly surprising.

    I recall something similar happening with the statutory rape laws in Ireland. “You want statutory rape to be excused in certain circumstances?”. No politician had the balls to do anything about it until the High Court forced them to.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,714 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Trump brought in the military because big balls got a bloody nose. Whats he gonna do now?

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,367 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Not a chance. Besides, there are plenty of laws against guns on school grounds. I find it quite inconvenient, as the parent of a 7 year old, rarely do I leave the house with my sidearm. (I work from home, mainly leave the house to pick him up and go to some kid activity). Perhaps, oddly, because I follow the law.


    That said, Utah university campuses are an exception. Students and others have been allowed to be armed for decades, no particular issues have resulted. This is something of an aberration.



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