Israel/Palestine Thread

Ardillaun · 10-09-2025 04:17PM

The Chicago sniper story also illustrates one reason why Israel is so paranoid about journalists, keeping the foreigners out and killing the locals.

Akrasia · 10-09-2025 04:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123803599#Comment_123803599

There were no journalists allowed in the Warsaw ghetto

mrcheez · 10-09-2025 04:27PM

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-officials-said-to-doubt-success-of-strike-on-hamas-leaders-in-doha/

"Israeli officials said to doubt success of strike on Hamas leaders in Doha"

https://www.breakingnews.ie/world/mars-rover-findings-offer-strongest-hints-yet-of-potential-signs-of-ancient-life-1805546.html

"Mars rover findings offer strongest hints yet of potential signs of ancient life"

guess the song lyric 🤣

Red Silurian · 10-09-2025 04:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123803521#Comment_123803521

The IDF are a powerful military force. They could have been in and out of Gaza, rescued the hostages with minimal deaths in a matter of days if they wanted to. The only reason I can see Netanyahu continuing this war, and never actually getting the hostages back, is to cling on to power. I'm not entirely sure why he thinks he needs to do this as he seems quite popular in Israel going by the last few elections.

There was 2m people living in Gaza before the latest war, 70,000 are now dead, or 3.5% of the original population. It's auful, don't get me wrong, but I do feel if the end goal was genocide there would be a lot more dead than that. Maybe he's just incapable

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123803523#Comment_123803523

Bibi risks getting on the wrong side of Trump with his latest antics. Getting on his wrong side of him is easier than you might think and once you get there you ain't coming back! Pissing off the US dictator is probably the best way you can hope for a change of government in Israel

dePeatrick · 10-09-2025 04:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123803653#Comment_123803653

”Bibi risks getting on the wrong side of Trump with his latest antics. Getting on his wrong side of him is easier than you might think and once you get there you ain't coming back! Pissing off the US dictator is probably the best way you can hope for a change of government in Israel”

If only…

purplesnack · 10-09-2025 05:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123803653#Comment_123803653

The 70000 are only those confirmed dead. When you see the rubble that Gaza has been reduced to, it's highly likely that the number murdered is much much higher and it'll be a long time before we know how many the Israeli terrorists have murdered. Netanyahu is not incapable. He is an evil calculating bastard.

Strazdas · 10-09-2025 05:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123803643#Comment_123803643

The attack on Doha appears to have been an almighty diplomatic and military cock up by the regime. Strong suggestions they didn't hit any Hamas leaders at all, not even injure one.

mrcheez · 10-09-2025 05:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123803811#Comment_123803811

Just those two headlines made me think of…

"Take a look at the lawman
Beating up the wrong guy.
Oh man!
Wonder if he'll ever know
He's in the best selling show.
Is there Life On Mars?"

Ardillaun · 10-09-2025 06:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123803653#Comment_123803653

It’s the sociopath in him, he can’t resist showing off, but he’s made Trump look like a weakling who can’t protect his allies.

dmcdona · 10-09-2025 06:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123803653#Comment_123803653

but I do feel if the end goal was genocide there would be a lot more dead than that

There is a lot more dead than 65,000. Estimates a year ago were approaching 200k. Today, that's more like 300k plus. Of course, they are estimates. The final toll will almost certainly never be known.

And don't forget, Israel hasn't finished yet.

Starvation numbers are racking up and that's before 1 million total are forced to flee Gaza City. With nowhere safe to go. And no food/shelter. And per Ned Stark, Winter is coming.

Cluedo Monopoly · 10-09-2025 06:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123803653#Comment_123803653

I think Netanyahu has dirt on Trump. I wouldn't be one bit surprised. Trump seems incapable of unwilling of pushing him to peace. Hamas have already agreed to the terms set out by US/Israel but Netanyahu does not want peace.

mountain · 10-09-2025 06:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123803653#Comment_123803653

The IDF are a powerful military force. They could have been in and out of Gaza, rescued the hostages with minimal deaths in a matter of days if they wanted to.

The Israeli government, IDF are enjoying the slow torture they are putting the Palestinians through

dmcdona · 10-09-2025 06:51PM

Latest from Haaretz. A fair bit, as expected, about Doha.

TLDR:

Doha strike appears to be an abject failure in terms of its stated objectives and resulting in pissing off the entire world; Canada "re-evaluating" its relationship with Israel; EU might grow a pair and in response, Gideon Sa'ar sounds like a whipped pup rather than roaring "antisemitic" as per his normal MO;

Spain cancels a €237 million contract with Rafael.

Five more die of starvation.

IDF top lawyer doubts legality of Gaza City ~~invasion~~ evacuation

The IDF said it has still not determined the results of its attempt to assassinate Hamas' political leadership in Doha, Qatar on Tuesday. Hamas officials told Saudi newspaper Asharq Al-Awsat that two senior leaders were wounded in the strike, one severely.

On Tuesday, President Trump told reporters he was "very unhappy about every aspect" of the strike, reaffirming that he was not given advance notice. In a post on Truth Social, Trump said "unilaterally bombing inside Qatar, a Sovereign Nation and close Ally of the United States, that is working very hard and bravely taking risks with us to broker Peace, does not advance Israel or America's goals."

U.S. Vice President JD Vance told Matt Gaetz on the One America News Network that though the Trump administration disagrees with Israel's decision to strike in Doha, the "elimination" of Hamas members serves as a "silver lining." Vance added that "we're gonna keep on working for peace in spite" of the Israeli attack.

Canada is evaluating its relationship with Israel in the wake of its attack in Qatar, Foreign Minister Anita Anand told reporters without giving further details.

The European Commission will propose sanctioning extremist Israeli ministers and "violent settlers," as well as the suspension of trade-related measures in the EU's Association Agreement with Israel, President Ursula von der Leyen said, adding that "what is happening in Gaza has shaken the conscience of the world."

Israeli Foreign Minister Gideon Sa'ar called von der Leyen's comments "regrettable", adding that the president is aware of Israel's efforts to increase humanitarian aid to Gaza, and that Hamas is responsible for suffering in the Strip. Sa'ar accused von der Leyen of "yielding to the pressures of elements that seek to undermine Israel–Europe relations" and "echoing the false propaganda of Hamas and its partners."

The Spanish Defense Ministry officially cancelled a contract worth 237.5 million euros for the purchase of Spike launchers and missiles from Israeli defense firm Rafael.

Israeli strikes killed 39 Palestinians, including 12 aid-seekers, over the past day, the Hamas-run Health Ministry reported. According to the ministry, five people, including one child, died of malnutrition, and 64,656 people have been killed in Gaza since October 7, 2023.

The IDF chief of staff ordered to evacuate the entire population of Gaza City on Monday contrary to the position of the army's top lawyer, who said the move's legality was unclear and that orders should be delayed until conditions in southern Gaza could support evacuees, sources told Haaretz.

dmcdona · 10-09-2025 06:53PM

This is an interesting piece:

"It can be assumed that the center of gravity of truce talks will now shift from Qatar to Egypt. Ostensibly, a cease-fire deal is still on the table.

Over the past few days American representatives sent Hamas messages regarding the nature of a final-status arrangement, a softer interpretation of Israel's conditions.

For example, the U.S. told Hamas that Israel would withdraw from Gaza's perimeter, which would become a demilitarized zone without Hamas presence. This way, Netanyahu can claim there is a "security zone" separating Israel and Gaza, while Hamas gets a full Israeli withdrawal from Gaza.

Time will tell what impact the Qatar hit will have on the war.

The assassinations of Mohammed Deif and the Sinwar brothers changed nothing strategically. The optimists in the government believe that Netanyahu's achievement with his base will give him maneuvering room to end the war"

Chaim Levinson

Miniegg · 10-09-2025 06:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123803653#Comment_123803653

Genocide doesn't mean killing everyone - if that were true the holocaust wouldn't have been genocide, nor the Rwandan genocide etc. But of course, they were.

It is an intent to destroy a particular group in whole or in part, based on religion / ethnicity or some other factor. This is why random battlefield bombings aren't genocide, despite the violence involved and despite more people possibly being killed.

It also doesn't just mean lock them in a camp and gas them has to happen for it to be a genocide - it doesn't need to be that acute.

It involves mass killing for sure, taking children away from the group (in this case through killing them - Gaza most dangerous place on this earth, by a considerable margin, to be a child). It is making life, and the way of life of this group impossible (destroying cultural institutions, schools, places of worship, libraries, farms, wells, and now, stopping food, medicine and clean water). Israel have gone beyond this - almost all houses have been destroyed, now they are focusing on the last remaining piece of the puzzle in Gaza city.

All genocides have involved extreme narratives, such as the Israeli politicians narrative of Gazans, and involve people in power inciting genocide (there are umpteen references from those in power in Israel involved in this rhetoric, and crazily in the USA).

I believe the only thing constraining Netenyahu is his reliance on democratic countries, whose politicians are all, in theory, answerable to their citizens. This has significantly lessened since Trump came to power.

Interestingly - make what you want of chat gpt or AI - but I asked it months ago how, using it's analytics of human history, would a democratic country with mostly democratic allies carry out a genocide in the modern world and still maintain diplomacy with countries whose citizens would be appalled by such a thing.I never mentioned Israel in the initial prompt, but it was almost word for word what Israel is doing, and has done in the last two years, it was crazy how close it was

dmcdona · 10-09-2025 07:34PM

BBC allowed into GAZA for first time in 18 months (under IDF censorship of course). Gazan says it like it is…

After a strike hit a tower block near his home today, Ammar Sukkar called on Hamas negotiators to come and negotiate from a tent, not from air-conditioned rooms in Qatar – and insisted he would stay in the city.

"Whether you like it or not, Netanyahu, we're not leaving," he told a local freelancer working for the BBC. "Go and deal with Hamas, go and kill them. We're not to blame. And even if we're buried here, we're not leaving. This is my land."

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0lkz0l4x51o

dmcdona · 10-09-2025 07:39PM

Well, this really does sum up the mentality of the Israeli Govt.

If negotiators won't negotiate, execute them…

BBC:

We can now bring you some comments from Israeli President Isaac Herzog following his meeting with UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer earlier this afternoon.

Speaking at an event hosted by Chatham House, an international affairs think tank based in London, Herzog describes the pair's discussion as "frank" and "tough".

"It was a meeting between allies, but it was a tough meeting," he says.

Referring to members of the Hamas negotiating team Israel targeted in Tuesday's attack on Qatar, Herzog says the strikes were necessary to "remove some of the people if they are not willing to get a deal".

Insisting that Israel wants an end to the war, he argues that Hamas's decision process requires consent and that just one person saying no removes the possibility of a deal.

"If you want to move on, you have to remove some of the people if they are not willing to get that deal," he says.

Ardillaun · 10-09-2025 07:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123804169#Comment_123804169

Is he talking about Netanyahu there?

dmcdona · 10-09-2025 07:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123804063#Comment_123804063

Targeting the weakest in Gaza, women and children, and destroying medical facilities plus preventing certain types of medicines and food, also ticks the fourth Genocidal act - the prevention of births within the group.

So many women and children have been killed and those children suffering from malnutrition will be damaged for life - this is all intended to ensure the Gazan population will dwindle in years to come.

Killing members of the group
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

dmcdona · 10-09-2025 08:24PM

The pressure keeps mounting.

Over 300 former EU and member state ambassadors, as well as former EU officials, have written a joint letter calling on the EU to immediately suspend the EU-Israel Association Agreement and to impose targeted sanctions on members of the Israeli government.

The letter, to the EU institutions and leaders of the 27 member states, also calls on the 13 member states which have not yet done so to join 147 UN members in recognising the State of Palestine.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2025/0910/1532729-eu-israel/

wildgreen · 10-09-2025 11:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123803643#Comment_123803643

Israelis are a very strong and inventive people, they could make a new life on Mars and have a planet for themselves.

wildgreen · 10-09-2025 11:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123802729#Comment_123802729

There must be many millions in the World who would prefer him dead rather than in The Hague. I would be happy if he was in The Hague for the rest of his life.

Ardillaun · 11-09-2025 12:06AM

Not only did Simple Starmer meet Herzog, he allowed himself to be seen warmly shaking his hand outside 10 Downing Street. It’s like he’s trolling his own party.

StarryPlough01 · 11-09-2025 01:32AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123804046#Comment_123804046

More here

‘In exclusive CNN interview, Qatari prime minister says Netanyahu ‘killed any hope’ for Israeli hostages’
By Max Saltman, Caitlin Danaher, Mitchell McCluskey, Mostafa Salem, CNN
4 HR AGO
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/09/10/middleeast/qatar-prime-minister-israel-strike-interview-latam-intl?iid=cnn_buildContentRecirc_end_recirc&recs_exp=up-next-article-end&tenant_id=related.en

‘No official declaration’ on Hamas negotiator after strike

[Qatar’s Prime Minister] Al-Thani notably did not reveal the fate of Hamas’ chief negotiator Khalil Al-Hayya, following Israel’s attack targeting the group’s leadership in Doha on Tuesday.

When asked by CNN on the whereabouts of the chief negotiator, Al-Thani said that “until now … there is no official declaration.”

Hamas had initially said five of its members were killed in the strike, but it failed to assassinate the negotiating delegation.

Starry: I hope Hamas’ chief negotiator Khalil Al-Hayya wasn’t one of the 5 members killed. And the peace talks resume asap. Trump’s envoy Steve Witkoff had a proposal on the table that Hamas was going to discuss.

StarryPlough01 · 11-09-2025 01:47AM

‘A residential jet and a massive US airbase didn’t shield Qatar [key US ally] from Israel’s attack. America’s Arab allies are taking note’
Analysis by Paula Hancocks, 3 HR AGO
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/09/10/middleeast/us-arab-allies-qatar-israel-attack-latam-intl

“As for its role as mediator to end the war in Gaza, Qatar’s Prime Minister Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman bin Jassim Al Thani personally met with Hamas’ chief negotiator Khalil Al-Hayya on Monday to push for the new US-led ceasefire and hostage deal. Hamas’ response was expected at a follow-up meeting Tuesday evening; a couple of hours before that answer, Israeli jets struck a residential building in Doha, killing five Hamas members and a Qatari security official.
....

“A country with no diplomatic ties to Israel invited its delegations to come and negotiate indirectly with Hamas; an endeavor appreciated by President Trump, who spoke of Doha “bravely taking risks with us to broker peace.”

‘Qatar denies White House claim Trump sent warning before Israel’s attack’
By Joseph Stepansky, 9 Sep 2025

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/9/9/white-house-says-trump-notified-qatar-ahead-of-israeli-strike-on-hamas

White House spokesperson Karoline Leavitt told reporters:

“Leavitt added that Trump had directed his special envoy, Steve Witkoff, to “inform the Qataris of the impending attack”.

“However, Qatar refuted the characterisation, with a spokesperson for Qatar’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs saying claims that the government had been “pre-informed of the attack are completely false”.

“The call that was received from an American official came during the sound of the explosions that resulted from the Israeli attack in Doha,” Majed al-Ansari wrote in a statement on X.

“Qatar’s Foreign Minister Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al Thani said the call from the US came ten minutes after the attack began, describing the incident as “state terrorism”.

Starry: ^^^ Early yesterday morning, I listened to a US political analyst who said the Israelis gave the US PLAUSIBLE DENIAL by claiming shortly after the operation that this was entirely an Israeli affair.

Ardillaun · 11-09-2025 03:26AM

Imagine if every country follows Israel’s example and starts going after its enemies in other countries. We’re already dealing with this in Canada. India has killed a Sikh activist here and China constantly threatens dissidents and Uighurs as well. This is a recipe for global anarchy.

Ardillaun · 11-09-2025 03:29AM

BTW mods what on earth is going on with this Temu invasion across the site?

Ardillaun · 11-09-2025 04:27AM

According to a report in the Atlantic magazine, neither the US nor Qataris engaged their air defences as the Israeli missiles came in. There’s no shortage of US government types anonymously voicing their unhappiness. Allegedly, the Israelis gave the Americans barely any time to react before the missiles landed. It sounds like the actual Iranians gave them more notice when they bombed Qatar. If true, and we may never know the full story, hardly the actions of a close ally.

wildgreen · 11-09-2025 07:38AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123805041#Comment_123805041

In history, this could be like having your photo taken smiling and shaking hands with Hitler.

I saw an article saying that Herzog was sneaked into his hotel through the rubbish disposal door. I presume he exited using the same route :)

z80CPU · 11-09-2025 07:43AM

Pure Pot.And.Kettle

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/world/not-acceptable-conduct-between-partners-israel-says-as-eu-announces-halt-to-all-payments/ar-AA1MgtIx

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