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Dun Laoghaire Traffic & Commuting Chat

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,018 ✭✭✭Homesick Alien


    Roundabouts are stressful for cyclists, especially children. Because motorists rarely signal when leaving a roundabout they never know when to enter the roundabout and meanwhile a queue of impatient motorists builds up behind. That's my experience of cycling with my kids anyway. At least at a junction you know when you have the green light.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭Blut2


    They're wrong so. The academic literature is fairly clear on this:

    "information showing that at the lower 20-mph speed of most roundabouts, the chance of a
    pedestrian being killed if hit by a vehicle is 15%. On the other hand, at conventional
    intersections where the speeds are typically 30 to 40 mph the chances of being killed if
    hit by a vehicle range from 45% to 85% "

    Pedestrian safety is also an issue of perceived vs. real risks. Even though
    pedestrian safety at roundabouts seems to be high (based on international experience and
    limited U.S. experience) many pedestrians do not perceive roundabouts to be safe. Yet,
    compared to intersections controlled by two-way stop signs, roundabouts improve
    pedestrian safety, especially for crossing major streets. Approach speeds are lower and
    unexpected right or left-turning movements do not exist at roundabouts."

    And for car on car collisions too:

    "The circulatory vehicle movements at roundabouts eliminate
    or drastically reduce the critical conflicts resulting from red light running, left-turns
    against opposing traffic, right-angle conflicts at corners, and rear-end collisions. As a
    result roundabouts significantly reduce vehicular crashes.

    According to Persaud2, modern roundabouts are safer than other methods of
    intersection traffic control. After examining 24 intersections that were converted to
    roundabouts in eight states in a variety of urban, suburban and rural settings, he
    concluded that roundabouts reduced all vehicular crashes by 39 percent and injury
    crashes by 76 percent. He estimated reductions in the numbers of fatal and incapacitating
    injury crashes to be about 90 percent."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,216 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    It is ironic that the states seem to finally be embracing roundabouts but we are for nonsensical reasons moving away from them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 804 ✭✭✭Alias G


    DLR tried a variant of a dutch style roundabout in Killiney about a decade ago. Local motorists couldn't cope with it.

    A similar style roundabout with safe crossing points for pedestrians and cyclists would be required if we want to encourage parents to allow kids cycle to school etc.

    Thats before you consider traffic increased volume which was the reason given for removing the old roundabout.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,410 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    It wasn't that "locals couldn't cope with it", it was because the design totally reversed the yield-to-right default priority and went against the driving education of every motorist and cyclist alike in the country.

    Those of longer memory will recall it contributed to a number of very serious accidents about 12 years ago, and had to revert to a conventional layout because of the outright negligence of DLR Council, something which, by the way, they are notorious for down the years, with a whole costly hotch-potch of chicanes, speed tables, crocodile kerbs, build-outs, raised kerbs, dropped kerbs and 57 varieties of speed ramp profiles.

    I've always imagined that the DoT were forced into drawing up DMURS to at least try and rein in the worst excesses of DLR and the other Dublin Councils taking hugely dangerous flights of fancy with experimental and inexplicable traffic management schemes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 804 ✭✭✭Alias G


    Exactly. Local motorists couldn't cope with the idea of yielding priority to more vulnerable road users. It is quite common practice in societies with grown up active travel cultures. But car brained paddy can't fathom it. Not sure what kind of motoring education you received, but i learned to yield to pedestrians at a zebra crossing. What was so logically different about killiney roundabout? Thankfully younger generations tend to be more accepting of pedestrian and cycling friendly infrastructure.



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