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Obesity as a Disease - Medication

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,366 ✭✭✭Soarer


    Speak for yourself!

    I'm like a T-1000 now, able to squeeze into tighter spaces than I once was! 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭Fwarder


    One thing I didn't count on with this is the true mental wellbeing you also get from looking like you used to and generally feeling more positive/better.

    For me, like some others have noted as well, it's not just the weight loss. It truly is the change of a lifestyle with feeling of doing more, eating actually better (less to no junk at all) etc. Hopefully, this does get somehow regulated/subsidised through DPS because at the moment it is a bit of an expensive sport.

    Luckily, there's still an affordable way to get it from the UK, but that's probably a matter of a day/month before we're back to square one on that one



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭Fwarder


    For everyone using mybmi and who were prescribed mounjaro these will be the new prices. There's still no date set, but here we are 😅

    Still it seems that the UK route is marginally cheaper in the long run. Currently here 2.5mg is 275-290, 5mg seems to go around 350 and 7..5+10mg 465.

    So still ordering from the UK seems to be cheaper than IE. IE doesn't have 12.5 nor 15mg doses AFAIK

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    p.s. Regarding my own path with this thing: 1st 5lb down I.e. -8% in the first month, however something that I didn't count on was the positive shift in what I actually eat and suppressed craving for sweet stuff and/or healthy foods like kebabs 😅

    One thing that I will try to do (do not try this at home) is to get to that 5th dose because let's face it this stuff ain't exactly cheap regardless of IE/UK and old/new price.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,210 ✭✭✭Escapees


    Presuming you meant... unhealthy foods like kebabs! Also I presume 8% is the proportion of your total planned weight loss, as opposed to starting body weight?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,448 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut


    Is 2mg Ozempic available again or is the max still 1mg? I'm coming to the end of my first 6 months on the drug and have seen good results but I think tolerance is becoming an issue on 1mg. I'm hoping I can stick to Ozempic and not have to move to the more expensive alternatives like Wegovy or Mounjaro

    Beverly Hills, California



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭Fwarder


    yeah it was a joke (hence the emoji).

    No, -8% of the starting weight, however, I'd say that that first measurement was slightly skewed (it could be the crooked tile) or I was full of water (in fairness, I would go through like 3l of water when paired with physical work), so that might have skewed the actual results. Last two weeks there was definitely a ~1kg loss a week which sounds much more reasonable.

    Although, I still can't understand though how is Mounjaro (even after the famous "170%" price hike) still cheaper in the UK vs here in Ireland where it's actually produced. I understand it's the bigger market, but like, factory is literally 20min from the place I'm buying the stuff :D



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,210 ✭✭✭Escapees


    Oops, missed the emoji. Confused re: weight loss - if losing 5lb means losing 8% body weight, then you must be the weight of a young child, i e. approx. 60lb. Maybe I'm having a bad brain day?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭Fwarder




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,210 ✭✭✭Escapees


    I clearly need to eat more and wake up! ;)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,366 ✭✭✭Soarer


    I'm assuming that table is arseways, as in the consultation cost is €146.99 every month and the price of the medication increases?

    Took a spin up north on Tuesday and got the remainder of my script filled at the old prices. Just wandered around Enniskillen calling into pharmacies and asking for whatever dose I needed. Think it cost me around €600 plus €100 in fuel (full to near empty to full). Got 10, 12.5 and 15mg pens all in for €700, so decent bit saved.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭Fwarder


    how did you get all those doses? Shouldn't you have a prescription that says mounjaro XYZ mg instead of Mounjaro "give what you have" mg? 😅



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭glen123


    Dose is increased every month so a 3 month prescription would be for 3 pens 10, 12.5 and 15mg each for someone who has already done 12 weeks on lower doses.

    However my GP still keeps me on 5mg despite the fact I have started month 6 on Mountjaro because I am still loosing around 4 kg per month but normally every 4 weeks your dose is increased by 2.5mg



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,366 ✭✭✭Soarer


    As @glen123 said, I'd a 6 month script, starting at 2.5mg and increasing by 2.5mg every month up to the maximum of 15mg. The pharmacies had no problem dispensing them on the one day.

    Edit: I'd like to think I'll not hit the 10mg dose, let alone 12.5 or 15mg. Hopefully all 3 will be used for short dosing, and maybe even titrating down depending on how well things go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,657 ✭✭✭Padraig Mor


    Inconvenient as it may be, I actually am a scientist. And, as I said, there is plenty of peer reviewed research demonstrating benefits of various forms of fasting. Furthermore, it Just Makes Sense - humans did not evolve requiring three square meals a day; throughout evolution, hunger has been the norm rather than the exception, and we have evolved methods of coping with it - i.e. laying down energy stores in the form of fat, which are then used in times when food is scarce (essentially, fasting). You are also being disingenuous when you say that people on these drugs are 'giving up' on 'discipline diet and exercise" when, as I've already stated, these meds are for the most part merely tools to do just that. I also find your use of the work 'discipline' curious - again as I've mentioned earlier, it frames the conversation such that obese people's chief problem is that they simply lack discipline - those bloody lazy fatties! Just another way of saying I'm Better Than Them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,657 ✭✭✭Padraig Mor


    Oh absolutely, my presumption is that those scale body fat and muscle readings are wholly inaccurate and suitable only for identifying trends - i.e. somewhat consistent within its own numbers. Fortunately that's what I've seen - a consistent trend of fat reduction and some earlier absolute increase in muscle (I.e. actual kilograms, not just percentage) which has now levelled off but - most importantly - hasn't dropped. Just did a full reading this morning (I only record the body composition stuff once a month or so) and it's consistent with earlier readings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭LastApacheInjun


    I went up to Newry and got one 15mg pen from McCartans last week. It was all they would give me. Corrys had infomed me that they had run out of stock, so I couldn't get it from them. I didn't think about going to another pharmacy because the prescription had a note saying that one 15mg pen was dispensed and the date it was dispensed. I would have thought another pharmacy would be reluctant to issue a second or third pen on the same day. Perhaps I was wrong.

    I'm sticking on my 9mg dosage from the moment. Considering there's 75mg of medicine in the pen (including the extra dose) that should do me for eight weeks. I have lost around 10lbs per pen so far. Losing another 10lbs will put me right in the middle of a normal BMI. I was always going to consider titrating downwards at that point anyway to find a maintenance dose, so as crippling as €380 might be for the next pen, hopefully I'll be able to go down to about 5mg per week, which means the medication should last for about 15 weeks. That makes it around €36 a week to keep maintaining. The first pen at the new prices will obviously have to be used up a bit quicker, as I can't jump down from 9mg to 5mg straight away.

    The MyBMI prices are confusing. Why would your doctors consultation go up in price as you go up through the doses? Surely it's the medication that goes up in price? Perhaps they didn't want to change their marketing material to say that the cost of the medication does not change as you go up through the doses but if that's the case, it's very misleading, as your overall price to be paid goes up anyway.

    Does anyone know the prices for other NI pharmacies (particularly ones that deliver) as Corrys seem a bit expensive in comparison to some of the other prices I've seen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,366 ✭✭✭Soarer


    Congrats on the weightloss. It's amazing stuff to be fair.

    Yeah, the pharmacy stuff up north is mad. It was actually a lad on the phone from Corry's the previous week told me to call around to the different pharmacies and get them one at a time. My script has 3 different strength pens dispensed from 3 different pharmacies all within an hour of each other!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,657 ✭✭✭Padraig Mor


    I believe that MyBMI's new pricing is actually an attempt to do their customers a solid - depending on their company and plans, some of those with health insurance will be claiming back 50% or even 75% of 'consultations' meaning that these folks can get reimbursed for a substantial amount of the price increase.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,366 ✭✭✭Soarer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,173 ✭✭✭Sarn


    It’s policy dependent. You’d need to have cover for day to day GP expenses.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 774 ✭✭✭waxmelts2000


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    Looks like theses might be the new prices from corrys , I’m still on 5mg

    “Original pricing with private prescription was

    Thanks for emailing. The price is £150 for the 2.5mg and 5mg strengths for a four week supply. The 7.5mg and 10mg is £175 and the 12.5mg and 15mg is £195. These prices include DPD next day delivery. Supply is 100% since launh so I anticipate “



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭LastApacheInjun


    Yeah Corrys are looking a little expensive now.

    I'm seriously thinking about moving to MyBMI. I have VHI GP day to day cover, but only up to €40 a visit. If I move to another plan that's the same price, I can get 75% back. For the 15mg pen the consultation cost is €249 - which would cost €62 after getting money back from VHI. Adding in the cost of the pen, that would equal €205. That's even cheaper than what I was paying to Corrys before the price increases. Of course I'll have to compare VHI plans to make sure I'm not missing out on anything else, but it seems similar to the plan I'm already on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,657 ✭✭✭Padraig Mor


    Remember you need to wait two years to benefit from increased cover when switching to a new plan - however I have a vague feeling that this normally refers to hospital coverage etc. I'd be checking it before changing though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭glen123


    would you have to start with mybmi from small dose again or would they start you on higher one since you have been on Mounjaro already? Any idea?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭LastApacheInjun


    great point Padraig - I’ll check that.


    I’ll also check with myBMI on that point Glen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭glen123


    Let us know when you find out.My GP keeps me on 5mg for more than 3 months now and I would really like to move up a dose. I also have 50% back on GP consultations with Laya so my bmi works out cheaper with that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭glen123


    when you take out vhi policy or change the plan,day to day expenses are effective straight away - they changed level of day to day cover on my kids policies, i moved them to a different plan and it was effective straight away but it is always good to double check of course.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35 Donohoe10


    laya dont pay out on weightloss medication

    if you want 40 off your 1st order with Mybmi.ie use the code below

    53428Craig20free

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,366 ✭✭✭Soarer


    But you're not looking for a payout on weightloss medication (nobody pays out afaik).

    You're looking for a 50% rebate on the consultation price from myBMI.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭glen123


    I have joined the mybmi FB group-loads of posts that Laya refuses to give anything back for consultation yet VHi and Irish Life are fine.

    Laya in some cases refused claiming they don’t cover consultations from outside of ROI even though many doctors involved are registered with the Medical Council in Ireland. Other refusals were based on their terms and conditions where it says they don’t cover weightloss etc even though I know someone who had gastric sleeve done recently which was covered by Laya. She was on a corporate plan but then plenty of people on corporate plans in that FB group that cant get any rebate on the consultation part.



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