Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Help Keep Boards Alive. Support us by going ad free today. See here: https://subscriptions.boards.ie/.
If we do not hit our goal we will be forced to close the site.

Current status: https://keepboardsalive.com/

Annual subs are best for most impact. If you are still undecided on going Ad Free - you can also donate using the Paypal Donate option. All contribution helps. Thank you.
https://www.boards.ie/group/1878-subscribers-forum

Private Group for paid up members of Boards.ie. Join the club.

The light touch CA moderation experiment

12357

Comments

  • #122
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,120 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123775800#Comment_123775800

    When I posted here earlier the immigration thread was awash with that flag stuff. You can try and frame it whatever way you like, go crazy, there's absolutely no point in talking to you about this any further.

    The point is was making was that it seems some warnings are just ignored. An instruction was given, along with an invitation to open a dedicated thread and it was ignored.

    Glazers Out!



  • #123
    eightieschewbaccy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123776015#Comment_123776015

    Have you actually reported the posts? Moderators aren't necessarily going to notice it without reports...



  • #124
    o1s1n
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,061 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Why does the flag element of the immigration discussion need to be separated into a new thread but not other elements of the discussion?

    I don't get it.



  • #125
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,120 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123776028#Comment_123776028

    Because it's not relevant to the topic.

    Screenshot_2025-09-01-17-05-51-809_com.android.chrome.png

    Flags are racist therefor let's associate that lie with immigration.

    It was actually a reasonable decision that was ignored en masse.

    Glazers Out!



  • #126
    Sudden Valley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,113 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123776026#Comment_123776026

    The first page of the thread doesnt include a warning regarding flags so maybe it was not clear to posters that there is a warning in place. There is a post at 2:33pm today regarding flags but no others in the last few hours.



  • Advertisement
  • #127
    eightieschewbaccy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123776056#Comment_123776056

    In fairness there's a very specific reason it ended up being discussed today. Posters are also not necessarily going to be aware of that mod warning as well. You could report the thread and a moderator will reiterate it or even separate the posts into another thread.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2025/0901/1531118-dcc-tricolour/



  • #128
    Leg End Reject
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 21,816 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    It's the Current Affairs forum, it's in the news, i.e., a current affair.

    The previous mod note was to stop off topic posting at that time, the discussion today was in relation to a topical issue in the news.

    There is no reference to it in the mod instructions in the OP because it is not a blanket rule. Discussion will naturally move on from it.

    https://forumofgames.com/



  • #129
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,120 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123776253#Comment_123776253

    How are users supposed to understand when a warning to stop discussing an issue has a time limit and how do we know when it has elapsed?

    Glazers Out!



  • #130
    Leg End Reject
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 21,816 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123776285#Comment_123776285

    It was an on thread note in relation to the discussion at that time.

    The current discussion is in relation to what has been reported in the news today.

    The mod instructions in the OP are blankets rules, on thread notes are temporary and designed to diffuse arguments or stop the thread being derailed. If a blanket rule is added it will be added to the OP, the date of the mod note changed in the thread title and posted on thread too. Boards has always operated like this.

    https://forumofgames.com/



  • #131
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,120 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123776321#Comment_123776321

    I've never encountered that in all my years here.

    So warnings issued just become voided if an issue crops up in the news cycle?

    Why did Necro advise users to open a dedicated thread then? What's the point of separating topics into individual threads in that case?

    Glazers Out!



  • Advertisement
  • #132
    Leg End Reject
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 21,816 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123776366#Comment_123776366

    Off topic bickering (that you pointed out, see below) versus a current affair reported in the news. I can't explain it any further, you have to consider the context.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123744188#Comment_123744188

    https://forumofgames.com/



  • #133
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,120 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123776396#Comment_123776396

    Quoting a Post I made asking why the topic of flags could be considered relevant to the immigration thread is somehow an example of off topic bickering?

    What point are you attempting to make exactly?

    The expiration of warnings you're describing seems odd tbh, unless the OP is modified then the warning no longer applies if the topic crops up the news cycle? Is there examples of this occurring previously on the site? Typically mods are quite strict about warnings being adhered to regardless of such issues.

    Glazers Out!



  • #134
    eightieschewbaccy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123776483#Comment_123776483

    It's very much so relevant to the topic and is a current news item. So circumstances changed.



  • #135
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,120 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123776517#Comment_123776517

    I disagree.

    It's relevant to immigration inasmuch as some people perceive it to be.

    Plus the previous warning states a separate thread should be created for it anyway.

    I'm questioning why the messaging is so confused on this issue.

    I've never encountered a situation where I saw warnings just expire in that fashion, I think there's an inconsistency there that needs to be addressed.

    Glazers Out!



  • #136
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,948 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123776483#Comment_123776483

    I remember cases of 'no discussion of x topic unless it's been reported by a reputable source', which would be similar.



  • #137
    Leg End Reject
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 21,816 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123776483#Comment_123776483

    There was bickering on the thread at the time, you pointed out it was off topic. It's now in the news in relation to immigration so very much on topic.

    On thread notes are frequently uses to diffuse a situation without becoming hard and fast rules, this is one example, there are others asking 2 posters to take it to PM etc., that doesn't mean they're expected to avoid interacting on thread for ever more.

    I'm afraid I can't make it any clearer.

    https://forumofgames.com/



  • #138
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,120 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123776566#Comment_123776566

    The fact that the mod in question suggested the topic be given it's own thread undermines what you're saying in this instance.

    A lot of posts today were getting into the nitty gritty of flag design and patron saints etc which is absolutely nothing to do with immigration.

    A separate thread seems to make the most sense.

    Glazers Out!



  • #139
    eightieschewbaccy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123776541#Comment_123776541

    The previous warning was prior to it entering the news via the council. So it's become far more relevant to the discussion after the council acknowledging there's an issue. It's relevant to the discussion even if you don't agree with it.



  • #140
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,863 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    It used to be called "backseat moderation " !

    The post while 'calling it out' then goes on to engage just as much so yes that's a bit inconsistent alright 😊

    Help keep Boards going , subscribe or donate if you can.

    https://subscriptions.boards.ie/



  • #141
    EmmetSpiceland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,955 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    It’s really seems that no matter what is done with CA the same posters will complain and complain. And, then, we have the same problem posters whining in the ‘Dispute Resolution’ forum about completely justified warnings.

    A number of moderators told us that they lean to the right politically so it’s clear that it’s not a case of what these complainers are posting but how. Sorry to sound like a broken record but it’s not hard not to rack up, numerous, warnings.

    Aside from telling, certain, posters to reread the site/forum rules I’m not sure what the mods can do here. They’ve bent over backwards and forwards at this stage and it’s the same result.

    “It matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be” - A. Dumbledore

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Advertisement
  • #142
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,513 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123776566#Comment_123776566

    I usually stay out of CA I have absolutely no intention of ever posting in the Immigration thread, but I have a degree of sympathy for what NZ in saying here - even if I have zero interest in the flag debate itself - I always had read bolded mod warnings about not to discuss A or B/, or put it in a separate thread etc - as defacto rules established for a given thread that, while maybe not always stringently obeyed or enforced afterwards - circumstances vary - were still in theory "live" until told otherwise.

    I would imagine that I'm not alone in this interpretation.



  • #143
    Sudden Valley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,113 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123776791#Comment_123776791

    If the mod warning is not detailed in the first page of the thread no one would know about it after a few pages pass from when it appears on the thread. If they started banning those who broke the warning now it would result in a lot of both right and left wingers being banned and a number of them coming here to complain.



  • #144
    Leg End Reject
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 21,816 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123776791#Comment_123776791

    Current affairs are dynamic by nature, off topic bickering that would have led to posters being threadbanned was nipped in the bud.

    Once the topic of flags being used as an anti-immigration symbol was covered in the news it became relevant to the thread. If one of us had stepped in and shut it down there would be complaints about us censoring the discussion and accusations of us being biased because we're all left wing (we're not).

    It was made very clear on that thread what the hard and fast rules are, and it's the only thread to have so many.

    https://forumofgames.com/



  • #145
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,513 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123776823#Comment_123776823

    Fair point, but I have definitely seen instances over the years where in thread "warnings", such as the one described, have been referred back to as defacto operating rules for a thread - despite not being included in the OP of a thread - many pages and posts down the line.

    I personally would be very reluctant to engage in discussion of a subject on a thread, if the day previously a mod had explicitly said not too and there had been no explicit communication about a change in that stance since.



  • #146
    Sudden Valley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,113 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123776857#Comment_123776857

    Ah definitely should try to see if there were mod warnings recently if im in a thread but theres only so much posters can do. The title of the thread even says "mod note added 14 august" and this mod warning was from 22 August.



  • #147
    Headshot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,066 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123776681#Comment_123776681

    What does leaning in any direction have to do with anything? I really hate this left, right stuff. Just because a mod is meant to be "right" doesn't stop bias or prejudice. Also guess what people lie on the internet too…

    There’s a reason why, in every feedback thread or the recent Important News thread, the number one/two issue raised is always the modding in CA. I don’t know if you refuse to see it, or if it’s just because you’re mates with the mods, but you can’t ignore what’s right in front of your eyes. Boards is on its last legs, and what’s not helping is the cohort of mods who make CA unbearable by banning people non stop.

    i'm currently on a 3 month ban but if my ban was lifted tomorrow, I wouldnt go back. The environment created in CA is just unbearable and it only caters for certain poster views judging from the bans.



  • #148
    Snake Plisken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,242 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123776630#Comment_123776630

    I agree with you about eightieschewbaccy you would swear he was a mod the way he goes on not to mention the creepy stalking of MisterAnarchy on anything he posts.



  • #149
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,863 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I think you know it was the OPs post I was talking about and nothing to do with either that you mention there .

    This by @nullzero

    "Quoting a Post I made asking why the topic of flags could be considered relevant to the immigration thread is somehow an example of off topic bickering?"

    Post edited by Goldengirl on

    Help keep Boards going , subscribe or donate if you can.

    https://subscriptions.boards.ie/



  • #150
    eightieschewbaccy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123776956#Comment_123776956

    I'm responding to posters who happen to be in the same thread as me. It's a discussion snake. 😂 I've given a personal assessment, mods free to disagree if I'm particularly wrong on anything.



  • Advertisement
  • #151
    Snake Plisken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,242 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123776910#Comment_123776910

    Agree with you 100% they just want an echo chamber CA is best to be avoided . I think the light touch moderation was just a plot to get more posters to sign up. But for those few weeks it was great while it lasted. They must have hit the number of sign ups they needed and then just reverted to type.



Leave a Comment

Rich Text Editor. To edit a paragraph's style, hit tab to get to the paragraph menu. From there you will be able to pick one style. Nothing defaults to paragraph. An inline formatting menu will show up when you select text. Hit tab to get into that menu. Some elements, such as rich link embeds, images, loading indicators, and error messages may get inserted into the editor. You may navigate to these using the arrow keys inside of the editor and delete them with the delete or backspace key.

Comment As ...
Advertisement