The light touch CA moderation experiment

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123777054#Comment_123777054

Eh... don't think so . Have a look at the subscriptions on here

https://keepboardsalive.com/

Think if that's the reason for it snake , somebody did the sums wrong . But don't worry about it at least everyone has a shot so it's all good .

Sudden Valley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123777086#Comment_123777086

Dont get in the way of a good conspiracy theory!

Modding is a very subjective matter but hard to judge who is right or wrong. It was better when more posts went to the DRP.Could see and the judge whether the posters were hard done by or just delusional.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123777102#Comment_123777102

All those threads moaning about @Beasty !

Think everyone knew where they stood .

You weren't right or left , you were right or wrong ! 😊

Arghus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123776831#Comment_123776831

I have total sympathy for the mods, especially on that thread, you're damned if you and damned if you don't.

Just I was a bit surprised to see that apparently I've had the wrong impression of the significance of a mod saying a subject is not to be discussed on a thread.

I always operated on the basis that if a mod stated clearly in bold that a subject was not to be discussed in a thread, then that was effectively law, until explicitly stated otherwise - and it could be enforced. The qualifier of "at that time" is a totally new one to me.

I accept that my interpretation may be incorrect in that respect, but I still think, in an ideal world, if a mod rules that discussion of something is not for a certain thread and then that rule effectively ceases, then it should be noted in the thread, for the sake of clarity.

Maybe this won't be required in each case - the immigration thread is a different beast to 99% of every other thread on the site - but, I believe we are talking here of a change in stance within 24 hours? I don't think it's unreasonable in such a timeframe.

Okay it was in the news in the interim, but just because something is in the news and relevant to a subject being discussed is not an automatic guarantee that it will be permitted to discuss it in a thread - especially if it's been explicitly said not to discuss it!

But, we don't live in an ideal world and mods are volunteers, doing their best.

Leg End Reject

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123777206#Comment_123777206

Have look back to when the mod note was added and then the previous page.

It is the norm in that thread for updates to be added to the OP.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123777206#Comment_123777206

Think it was much longer between the mod note and the change in direction today after the news , about a week or so . And the poster discussing how it should not have been allowed had been discussing it too at the time , albeit dismissing it's relevance .

Many of the posters talking about it today would not have been on the thread at the previous time so would not have seen that mod note unless it was on the OP as Leg said . So to penalize people discussing something that was both in the news and obviously immigration related (as again state in the news ) would have been difficult ..

But I take NZs point, to be fair , that maybe it could have been clarified on thread . I don't know how , another mod note ?

I never saw the original mod note and am only reading this here this evening.

Arghus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123777331#Comment_123777331

Okay, first of all I must acknowledge that my understanding of the timelines was incorrect - Necro posted that mod instruction on the 22nd, so, much further back than the 24 hour turnaround in stance than I referred to. I was mistaken there.

I completely and totally understand why he said to drop the flag discussion: it was clearly dragging things off topic, well, more off topic. I have absolutely no query about the why of that: none whatsoever. I don't really care about the flag debate in and of itself tbh.

I also completely understand that the OP of long running threads, especially fractious ones, are updated all the time: with new rules and limits on discussions as things develop. Equally, absolutely no query about that on my part.

What I am confused by is this: I always operated on the basis that if a mod stated clearly in bold that a subject was not to be discussed in a thread, then that was effectively law, until explicitly stated otherwise - and it could be enforced. The qualifier of "at that time" is a totally new one to me.

Maybe this is a minor thing - let's face it: what isn't on this site? - but I am curious at this stage about what the actual policy is.

Supposedly I've had an incorrect interpretation of, but I could swear blind I've seen posters warned etc during my fifteen years plus here for ignoring mod instruction, on the grounds of violating mod warnings on threads - despite the mod warnings being from long, long before and not being included in the OP.

ancapailldorcha

So, once again we have people whining and airing every petty slight and grudge.

I'm not sure why someone is rules lawyering about flags. There's not been a single reported post about it from that thread today so it comes across as insincere and disingenuous, frankly.

Leg End Reject

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123777401#Comment_123777401

There was a feedback thread years ago where it was pointed out that a mod note in post 5469 (for example) was useless on mobile and that these should be added to the OP. That's done now and the date in the thread title is updated.

Mod notes on thread now are mainly to stop things getting to a point where posters are threadbanned. If a permanent change is made it's added to the OP, the thread title is updated and it's posted clearly in the thread. You might occasionally see a reminder of a rule posted. That's how it is in CA anyway.

I do remember a time where a mod note could be buried in a thread but that changed as more of us use mobiles to access the site. It also stops posters who join in later in a long running thread from being warned for something they weren't aware of.

Arghus

Alright - that's entirely clear. Thank you!

Quantum Erasure

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123777407#Comment_123777407

There's not been a single reported post about it from that thread today so it comes across as insincere and disingenuous, frankly.

If you come to a thread where people have been discussing a 'forbidden' topic for pages, do you report every single post or do you seek clarity on the rules?

I'd hardly call it disingenuous to do so

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123777516#Comment_123777516

Its odd that asking for clarification has illicited such a vitriolic reaction.

It's indicative of the poison that present in CA that so many people are in here picking a fight with me over this as if warnings magically expiring in this manner is something that everyone knows about.

You raise an issue here and you get set upon and condescended to by mods and users alike.

I'll take warnings less literally going forward, but I'm still not clear on when it's safe to do so, seems like it's a potential lottery but we'll find out when we get banned I suppose.

Backstreet Moyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123777407#Comment_123777407

At least people have the courage to whine about it in a feedback thread on boards.

They don't need to run to Reddit to whinge about boards.

Feedback on here is more likely to cause change than sticking the boot in on a competitors site.

Would you not agree?

Quantum Erasure

Why not both...

Backstreet Moyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123777738#Comment_123777738

I want Boards to survive which is why I will do all my whining on here 😄

Going onto other platforms telling people how horrible it is here is only going to put people off joining here.

Leg End Reject

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123777663#Comment_123777663

I haven't "picked a fight" with you, nor have I been condescending.

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123779076#Comment_123779076

I'm talking about other posters who've been making a point of picking a fight with me, who I refuse to reply to.

I appreciate you answered my question, I didn't feel the explanation was completely rational and and the idea that things have always been like that felt like I shouldn't have asked the question as the answer should be self evident. I wasn't referring to you when I mentioned people picking a fight with me. Those posts should be easy to identify.

Leg End Reject

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123779203#Comment_123779203

You raise an issue here and you get set upon and condescended to by mods and users alike.

No, you clearly said mods and users.

Quantum Erasure

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123779324#Comment_123779324

Read back up the chain of comments, this was the one that started it:

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123777407#Comment_123777407

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123777663#Comment_123777663

Poor you 😊

If you weren't so set on believing in your own victimhood you would see that some posters are agreeing that it is inconsistent .

That's what happens when you have so many on ignore I suppose 🤣

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123779324#Comment_123779324

I think Quantum Erasure has covered my response already.

Spear posted a warning about bickering on the previous page and here you are, a moderator engaging in the same behaviour.

Surely you should be above this, or are you enjoying playing to the gallery?

I never said a thing about you and I challenge you to prove that I did.

This place has worse problems than we previously thought I'm afraid.

A simple query about warnings has descended into absolute carnage. What a community.

Anyone posting any sort of commentary on these threads should be sanctioned. They're purely for feedback and discussion of the same, instead we have people stalking other users and turning feedback into yet another place to bicker incessantly.

Leg End Reject

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123779580#Comment_123779580

I'm not bickering, I simply quoted your own post back to you. You said 'mods' plural, I'm the only CA mod who posted so naturally I assumed you included me in that.

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123779758#Comment_123779758

It had nothing to do with you.

Can you see that now?

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123779580#Comment_123779580

So what feedback and discussion do think we should all be allowed discuss ?

Do we have to ask your permission nullzero ?

Anybody who replied to you whether agreeing or not is " bickering " or " should be sanctioned " ..this on a thread discussing whether the Light Touch CA experiment was working or not ? A bit ironic that .

It appears as regards the mods they are damned if they do and damned if they don't ..with a few posters in particular .

Edited out comment as a bit personal .

Necro

Jaysus my ears are burning are people talking about me 😂

Fwiw @nullzero I actually agree with your point on the flag discussion deserving it's own thread, I think it's a discussion that shouldn't be buried in a catch all thread about immigration.

That being said I also think Leggy has explained why the posts were not actioned in a fairly detailed manner and I agree with her assessment. If something that was previously off topic becomes part of the topic, then the mod warning (from almost three weeks ago) doesn't really apply anymore.

Rather than having a circular argument about the whole thing again though, would a fair compromise be if I went through the thread and split out the flag posts into its own discussion? I haven't had the time to look at it in detail the past few days but if it's completely dominating the thread now it's something we can do fairly easily.

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123780343#Comment_123780343

Seems reasonable. Thanks.

Necro

That's done now. It was pretty much dominating the discussion the past few pages alright. Seperate discussion the best way to go.

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123780411#Comment_123780411

Seeing it's a four pager already demonstrates it's worthy of it's own dedicated space.

Thanks for listening.

Sudden Valley

I'd say the flag thread will die a quick death. Not many offshoots of the immigration thread before this.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123780471#Comment_123780471

Well if it stops people getting upset it's worth it isn't it ?