Israel/Palestine Thread

Yes, UNRWA and the Gaza press are full of Hamas members, the UN are anti-Semitic, the IPC are 'biased', the Hamas run health ministry are liars etc. This is industrial levels of gaslighting from the Israelis.

Bbc were just showing israeli state tv showing ads saying there's no "famine" and showing pictures of happy gazans eating cakes etc. They are monsters. The Israeli public are in favour of punishing and murdering civilians. They shouldn't be allowed into Europe any more.

While we are in the EU and abide by treaties, the govt. can't just ban imports.

The EU trade agreement with Israel should be cancelled, but that was always going to be difficult. At the moment, I think the Commission proposed ending the Israeli participation in Horizon (that was about a month back).

I believe bigger issue than EU weakness or a fear of US retribution is just internal disagreements - there has always been a very wide range of foreign policies towards Israel & Palestine & the ME among members with little consensus.

I could see Germany, for example, coming around to pov the agreement should be ended, but if Trump's America is still backing Israel to the hilt no matter what they do, Orbán will be along for the ride.

Most trade policy in the EU is decided by qualified majority voting however, and I think support for acting has been rising. If Germany and a few others change their position and support cancellation, it will be enough even if there are small number of holdouts left, like Orbán.

The Dutch foreign minister resigned this evening after the cabinet refused to back his proposed sanctions against Israel. it does illustrate just how serious the issue of the terrorist state and its genocide in Gaza is becoming.

The EU could suspend, again, the trade agreement with Israel for breaches of human rights (written into the agreement). Individual EU nations trading with Israel outside of that agreement, e.g. for the sale of weapons, could halt that trade.

They could, but they won't, given they are beholden to the US, and ultimately, it won't do anything material in the short term. Eyes are on Ukraine, Gaza is a sideshow for most Europeans.

There's plenty that could be done - soon enough, it will be done. All nations and the "orange twat" certainly would not want to be seen supporting or be associated with an impending extermination of 2 million people by a blood thirsty war mongering Pariah State. But if they do, there is enough public horror out there that would be reflected in the polls and these supporters thrown out in their ear.

So, what will be done so?

I think we have to be realistic about there being a "good/lefty/secular/progressive" zionism and a "bad/far right/religious/reactionary" zionism. It might be attractive to think that Netanyahu and his backers represent this "bad" zionism. We can then pretend the current zionism is an error, a deviation, a mistake that can be rectified.

But lets place their "bad" zionism in context. Today in 2025, they're focused on the genocide of Palestinians in Gaza. But the task started much earlier. In the 1940s, "good" zionists waged a horrendous campaign of brutal terrorism against the same British forces which had liberated the concentration camps just a few years before. There was an infamous case - now completely hushed up - of "good" zionists murdering British soldiers, desecrating their bodies and hanging them from trees with boobytraps to kill anyone who might try cut them down to give them a decent burial. The same "good" zionists were the ones who invaded Palestine in the first place and expelled the Palestinian population in a campaign of ethnic cleansing to make way for the new state of israel. And these were the supposedly "good/lefty/secular/progressive" zionists.

The genocide in Gaza today is not some weird aberration. It is a continuation of the same maniacal and genocidal policies which established israel in the 1940s. For israel to exist, the Palestinians already living there have to be genocided. It is a process which began in the 1940s and it continues today. Netanyahu and his ilk might be more brutish and crude in their presentation, but they share the same aims as those "good" zionists who established israel by a campaign of terrorism and ethnic cleansing. There is no good/bad split in zionism. It is just zionism. Even good/nice zionists pre-suppose they have a right to build their new state over the mass graves of Palestinians.

When Starmer says "I support Zionism without qualification" he is supporting the zionist terrorists who drove the British out of Palestine with a campaign of atrocities at least as bad as anything Hamas are accused of. He is endorsing the murders of British soldiers by zionist terrorists. He is supporting the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from their homeland which was required to establish israel in the first place. All of these things are built into zionism. And we know he wasn't lying about the "without qualification" part because he continues to support israel even while they continue their genocide in Gaza today. And he poses as a human rights lawyer.

any government that supports a two state solution and recognizes the state of Israel, supports Zionism. You could go as far as to say that the UN, in recognising Israel, supports Zionism.

You couldn't at all. Israel does exist and recognising that fact is simply acknowledging something that is true to be true. It is in no way condoning how the state was created.

Hi Everyone

Ive made a petition to stop Coca Colas placement of their products/machines at twisted viewing points in Isreal where families go and watch as Gaza is bombed and now to watch a man made famine in Gaza....Please take a minute to sign it just to raise awareness of this,so messed up it really is….Please also share the Link......... 

https://chng.it/j8FvTzGtkk

Thanks

Edits: Are only because i cannot get URL to be clickable link here but seems to be ok now

Just wait til this is all over and the Palestinians will have their own little museums to rival Auschwitz and the like with piles of children’s shoes stacked stories high along with the discarded toys of children murdered by Israelis - we’ll have no end of choices on museums to visit dedicated to genocide victims - and of course, “we must never forget” .

Have you considered the possibility Hamas snuck in and planted those machines to make Israel look bad. A pro Israeli poster sent me a message to say this is a plausible explanation. In a further update - because his first story was in fact bs- He now says the vending machines were not installed by Hamas. He goes on to clarify that those Israelis are not paying to watch the carnage ongoing in Gaza but rather they are space enthusiasts who are infact watching a meteorite shower that just happens to passing over Gaza at this moment in time. He assured me this isn't another bullshit story to excuse Israelis who revel in violence

I remember when a poster- who seems to have disappeared from this thread- use to try and suggest it was only Palestinians who seemed to celebrate violence.

I would block that person,see in a world that we now live in where man made famine is occurring stupid comments from that person are no longer "deflective" or "moderately insane",they are the words of truly twisted,sick people who believe they are the chosen ones and therefore you,me and 99.9% of the world will burn in hell…There is a Holocaust happening,the definition of holocaust is """Destruction or slaughter on a mass scale"""….No group of people own this word,it is in itself an action done to others,we as a people keep looking for a word for whats happening but never use it because the word has another association also defined in the Oxford so we just say "famine","starvation" etc…Please block this person for your own sake…

I get the Israelis allowing this to happen given that they are actively trying to exterminate Palestinians. But I still have a difficult time understanding how Irish people, as evidenced on this thread, will jump through hoops to excuse actual crimes against humanity. Maybe, despite my age, I'm just being naïve in thinking that people will have empathy towards other human beings but I still can't get my head around how certain posters on this thread will read this and respond with 'but Hamas' or else accuse me of being an anti-Semite. Assuming they even bother.