Irish Property Market chat II - *read mod note post #1 before posting*

I've since seen on Reddit that it relates to DCC only.

It's pretty shocking that RTE wouldnt pull them up on that element of it.

Are you actually doubling down when multiple posters provided evidence that proved you to be wrong?

Sorry it's everyone else and the statistics that were wrong, not yourself, carry on.

There was never an argument, it was multiple people providing you with evidence that disproved your belief while you put your head in the sand and said "I know people selling" or "I'm in the industry", none of which were in anyway relevant.

We have clear evidence on side, you have an anecdotal opinion, only ever one winner there.

Wouldn't waste any more breath. Sure there's still people who think the earth is flat despite all evidence to the contrary.

No I'm more bothered by using actual data to back up the reality.

The petty attempt at digs is just quite sad, shouldn't be getting personal with people just because they have proved you to be wrong.

You are a massive hypocrite because you are being extremely petty.

I am not the only one pointing out the figures are skewed and don't show the details. Number goes up does not mean better or that landlords didn't leave. As I said wait till the policy of owning 5 properties comes in and you will see the number of landlords jump, just wait

https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2025/0301/1499591-property-landlords-rental/

It's got people engaging and as bad as it is that's what they want.

I completely agree that a national broadcaster should be above this style of journalism but apparently they're not at times.

MASSIVE hypocrite

Go back and read what I said because you clearly never understood. I didn't deny the number of landlords has increased ever. It doesn't mean what you claim it means and you can still have 40000 landlords leave the market in 5 years, be replaced and more join but you still have less people housed and/or pay higher rent with less choice. That is a bad thing.

The plain count of the figure doesn't show that which is pretty much all I ever said and the response has been MORE means MORE. No adjustment for the increase in properties overall making it even less informative. If you don't understand that it is your issue not mine

I never argued any other point than the figures are massively skewed and without context don't tell the picture. I made the point there was no trying about it. Others including yourself would not acknowledge this and you are not really acknowledging that now either by suggesting I am "trying" to make a point. I illustrated and showed how the figure do not mean what was being claimed or at the very least how they can be used to mislead.

Rocket there is trying to claim he won an argument that he never understood.

I certainly pointed out the reason why previous rentals are leaving areas and not being replaced and you should at least understand the economics of that and how it won't show in those figure. That is more than anecdotal. You can choose to ignore my knowledge as there is no capturing of the data but you can understand the economics of it and how the figures will never show it. Don't forget in the 00s there were a lot of people buying houses off the plans to flip them on completion and you can be sure some of these new landlords are planning on flipping them in a short period (in terms of renting) and there won't be figures on that either. Figures are tool not reality

I just said you can ignore it. The difference here is I explained the logic of why things are happening a particular way. I am not saying you have to believe the narrative but understand the logic. The doggedly going on about a figure that does not tell the reality or why things are happening the way they are.

The rental market has radically changed my experience out ways many figures as it was never recorded. When I explain what happens now with a rental that is sold now compared to the past you can't say this is in the figure.

Surely you can see the difference?

Limerick City rents have doubled in 5 years and are now comparable with Dublin rents (todays daft rental report)

The LDA owns vast tracts of green and brownfield sites in the city and have been sitting on it for years. Much of the city is derelict and functioning office space is scheduled for demolition.

The FFG administration are a far greater threat to Irish economy than the Trump administration. Has it ever been thus to borrow another posters phrase