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What whisk(e)y are we drinking? (Part 2)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,206 ✭✭✭CardBordWindow


    The Waterford Distillery bottles have a glass cork where you had to push the cork to the side with your thumb, and it will pop open. I think there used to be a "how to" video on their website, but that seems to be taken down.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 31,108 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    Any comment you read about glass stoppers on here was almost certainly about bottles from Waterford Whisky Distillery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,052 ✭✭✭✭con747


    Not available to buy empty I imagine? Is there a good decanter around to store fairly good whiskies €250/€400 bottles for long periods because he doesn't drink it a lot so a bottle could be open a year or two?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭JMcL


    I'd imagine you'll find them to buy in some corner of the interweb, but I'd ask why would a decanter or 2nd hand Waterford whiskey bottle be better than the original bottle? In keeping the contents for a long period of time the enemies will be evaporation (bloody angels), and oxidation and neither of these will be helped by a decanter. I suppose you could go down the route of putting inert gas like nitrogen in as per some wine preservation systems, but that's expensive if memory serves. Vacuvin with the rubber stoppers and vacumn pump would reduce oxidation and is cheaper - not visually attractive on a pricey bottle though!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,052 ✭✭✭✭con747


    He had a couple of expensive whiskies for a few years unopened and the corks dried out and broke when he tried opening them. Maybe the cheaper stoppers might be best.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,288 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    You have to lie them down every so often, to avoid that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,052 ✭✭✭✭con747


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,457 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    I've heard this too, in the past, but I'm not sure it isn't a bit of "bro science".

    A bit of a summary here of the arguments against storing on their side, or temporarily doing it to try to wet the cork.

    https://whiskyanalysis.com/index.php/2019/02/28/how-best-to-store-your-whisky/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,052 ✭✭✭✭con747


    This was a bottle he opened after about 7-8 years and luckily had a very fine mesh filter to save it and put it in another bottle.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,457 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    I don't doubt that this occurred, and indeed there are discussions to be had about what is the best approach to take with long term storage. But equally I'm not convinced that storing bottles on their side, when they are high ABV like whiskey, is actually a solution. Temporarily tilting them or temporarily lying them on their side, as some people try, does not seem a very effective strategy either. The ABV is either going to present its own challenges for the cork stopper, or if you return the bottle to a normal position after a period of time, the cork stopper just returns to the previous consistency fairly quickly.

    For what it's worth, if I am opening a bottle that has been stored for a number of years, whether it's whisky or wine, I proceed assuming that the cork is going to be very dried out. I will open carefully, and if the cork is coming apart on me, then plan b is to decant and strain as necessary. I've had to do that with wine, where I'm dealing with a cork, but never whisky sealed with a cork stopper so far. The oldest whisky I've opened was from the 1980s.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭JMcL


    I had the same happen to the cork on a half bottle of bourbon that was somehow forgotten at the back of a shelf. Doesn't appear to have done any harm to the taste any I just filtered it and replaced it with another cork (one time when "I'll hang on to that, it might be useful" actually was)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,087 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Sticking with things Waterford… there was a Waterford Whiskey Society but seems to be defunct since late 2023?
    (edit - not defunct, just not many updates on website)

    I picked up a sample of their inaugural bottling from Revolution in Waterford, €15 for 40ml.
    A fantastic whiskey, just the right amount of gentle peat for me.

    Thomond Gate Ex Heather Peated Madeira Finish Single Pot Still 60%
    The inaugural bottling of Waterford Whiskey Society, Vedrafjordr (Waterford) paying tribute to their shared Danish Viking heritage and the three brothers Aulaf, Ivor and Sitric who founded cities of Limerick, Dublin and Waterford. Aged in a first-fill Bourbon cask and then refilled into an ex Madiera cask sourced from Stauning Distillery in Denmark used to mature their danish peated Heather single malt whisky.

    https://www.whiskeybidders.com/whiskey/thomond-gate-ex-heather-peated-madeira-finish-waterford-whiskey-society-exclusive/183285

    Revolution have a small collection of whiskey sampler sets available, I picked up one from Two Stacks also.

    https://revolutionwaterford.com/product-category/whiskey-sets/

    Post edited by odyssey06 on

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 263 ✭✭Lester_Burnham


    Waterford Whiskey Society is still going strong. There's a monthly tasting usually attended by 50 members live and another 20 or so on Zoom. In fact this month was a Thomond Gate tasting including the one you mentioned. There was a society trip to Hinch last month and they're doing this year's bottling.

    There have been a couple of excellent bottlings since the first one. I'll post a bit more detail when I get a chance if you're interested.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,087 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Oh right, I was going by their website & social media which doesn't seem to have had any updates since late 2023.
    But actually I see Instagram is active with recent events.

    Are all the tastings also available virtually \ samples by post?
    Pricey?
    Do they sell out quickly?
    I'm a way from Waterford.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 263 ✭✭Lester_Burnham




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 263 ✭✭Lester_Burnham


    Ignore the last post - Boards is acting up and won't let me edit.

    Most of the tastings are virtual as well as live. They obviously sell out at different speeds depending on the whiskey but you'd have no problem getting a place if you register on the day they're posted. They post the samples. Thomond Gate was €22 live/€32 Zoom. That's pretty much the norm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭JMcL


    There have been a couple of excellent bottlings since the first one. I'll post a bit more detail when I get a chance if you're interested.

    Could well be interested - though probably good for neither bank balance, nor liver. Is the in person one in Revolution?

    I think one started in Tramore last year or the year before as well, but I can find no trace of it now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,087 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Top marks for presentation from Revolution bar... gonna try the Two Stacks Polaris 3.1 v 4.1 tonight.

    3.1 = 5yo Single Malt Cabernet Franc Ice Wine Cask 58%

    4.1 = 4yo Heritage mashbill Pot Still Oloroso Hogshead 57%

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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 31,108 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    Cask strength John's Lane tonight. Still my joint-favourite whiskey with the CS Redbreast 12.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,041 ✭✭✭✭Basq


    [ignore]



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 263 ✭✭Lester_Burnham


    Just to follow up on this. Other society bottlings include a Shortcross Rye and Malt Single Cask last year, a Dunville's Palo Cortado 11 yr old Single Cask (winner of IWA Single Cask 11 yrs and under in 2024) and a Whistler 11 yr old Single Cask.

    Most interesting has been a bottling of a cask of Ximénez-Spínola PX Sherry. The sherry cask is currently in Hinch filled with 22 year old single malt. Bottling is next month.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,457 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    I ended up getting a bottle of Two Stacks The First Cut, at a good price up north.

    I bought it on the strength of … well… mainly the price… But also generally quite positive reviews.

    I was expecting a fairly good but largely bog-standard blend, and I noted one review that likened it (in quality) to the Silkie blends.

    Had a bit last night, and I was quite impressed. Not as much going on with the nose as I was led to believe by some reviews, but the amount of peat is just right to bring forward a really nice coco-pops chocolate on the palate.

    One review I read talked about this being a grain-forward blend, and lots of vegetal notes. I can only assume that either I'm shite at tasting and nosing (Always have to consider this as a possibility), or they were, or else the blend has evolved because I don't get any of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,087 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    @Black Sheep is that the Two Stacks First Cut "Signature Blend" or "Complex Blend" ?

    In some ways I like their variety, at other times it is confusing :)

    https://twostackswhiskey.com/products/two-stacks-the-first-cut

    https://www.celticwhiskeyshop.com/Two-Stacks-The-First-Cut-Complex-Blend

    I picked up the Signature Blend but haven't opened yet.

    Have you tried any of the "Pillars of Creation" range which is a joint venture from multiple distilleries?
    e.g. the Pillars of Creation 2025 is "a marrying of distillate from Dingle Distillery, Echlinville Distillery, Boann Distillery & Micil Distillery, before finishing in a single Palo Cortado Butt."

    https://twostackswhiskey.com/collections/pillars-of-creation

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,457 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    Ah, that explains a lot!

    I'm not overly familiar with them and when I was browsing reviews I don't think I copped that there was more than one First Cut expression.

    Thanks for the heads up.

    Not sure which one I have, I'll have to check when home.

    I haven't tried the Pillars of Creation, although that sounds a little like the way Kirker and Grier use whiskey for their blend sourced from multiple locations.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,457 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    Should have mentioned also that I had the change to try Dingle's Long Hall bottle at the weekend. Really excellent, oily nose. I may have to revisit what Dingle are doing these days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,868 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    Am holidaying down in West Cork and am very near Skibbereen so thought I might call into the distillery. Any recommendations? I'm quite open mind but specifically don't like anything finished in beer/stout casks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,458 ✭✭✭ZV Yoda


    Did a 4 day guided tour of Islay last week. Been thinking about doing it for a while and finally took the plunge. It was fantastic. Aside from the whiskey, the island itself is breathtaking.

    • Lagavulin Tour & Tasting
    • Core Range Tasting at Ardbeg
    • Tour and exclusive tasting at Laphroaig
    • Tour and tasting at Kilchoman
    • A visit to Bunnahabhain Distillery
    • Warehouse Tasting at Bruichladdich Distllery
    • A visit to the Islay Whisky Vault

    We went with Scottish Routes, but there’s a few companies doing them. It was very well organised. A really comfy 16 seater bus which keeps the numbers to a manageable size

    Already starting to think about a highlands tour next!



  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 10,106 ✭✭✭✭mik_da_man


    As far as I know they do not do open tours like other distilleries. Clonakilty do however and are not too far away.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,868 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    I'm not looking a tour, I really to buy a bottle!



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